[200William-EC] Car Park
Matt Perkins
matt at spectrum.com.au
Wed Nov 27 19:56:53 EST 2013
George that sounds like a good compromise to me. I have an idea about
providing access to the car space's I will take it up with you outside
this list so as to not confuse people with the detail. But I think this
is closer to the mark.
Matt.
On 27/11/13 7:26 PM, George Ziri wrote:
>
> We have several buildings around the CBD who have enquired about the
> same issue and were denied by Council. The development DA will have a
> consent to ensure X amount of visitor car spaces must be provided.
>
> A building we manage in Pyrmont introduced a By Law -- stating that
> access to the car park will be denied if a resident is found parking
> in the visitors and a fee of $75 will be payable to have the access
> reactivated. On the second occasion access will be denied permanently.
> When the building manager carries out routine inspection, he takes a
> photo of the vehicle then deactivates access to the car park.
>
> It's not fully water tight as for the loop hole where the intercom
> can allow access but there is a dramatic difference.
>
> George
>
> *From:*ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Diana Dennison
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 November 2013 4:16 PM
> *To:* Matt Perkins; Rob Willett; Andrew James; Maxine Wickey; Philip Quirk
> *Cc:* ec at 200william.com
> *Subject:* Re: [200William-EC] Car Park
>
> Hi All,
>
> I can't believe you are all so short-sighted as to think we can do
> away with visitors parking. Even the most unprepossessing little
> blocks built after parking got scarce, offer this. I just hope it is a
> council requirement. I think if you check with IKON, and other blocks
> you would find they all have their share of VP! In the IKON's case,
> it's probably controlled by the concierge.
>
> Rob, I will send you the pics again!
>
> Di
>
> On 27 November 2013 15:54, Diana Dennison <didee.cd at gmail.com
> <mailto:didee.cd at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> I want to emphasise that in a building of this quality, in an area
> where parking is not easy, it is important to provide visitors'
> parking. Not having any would certainly detract from the value of the
> apartments; I'm sure other owner/occupiers would agree; it is part of
> the deal. It won't make any difference to you or Dave but I assure you
> it would to me (and others). I know it is enticing to see it as a way
> to raise revenue, but I think we'll have to stick with the storage
> spaces. I am dead against it. I would never have bought into a strata
> system that did not have visitors' parking. What does Maxine say?
>
> Visitors can't all come in cabs.. my daughter often comes from the
> Hunter Valley with 4 children arriving after dark with one asleep. It
> is more than one trip up in the lift (after a long drive) and
> inevitably something is forgotten and has to be fetched. It just
> wouldn't be possible if she were parked in some parking station a fair
> walk away. This is an essential amenity.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Di
>
> On 27 November 2013 15:08, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au
> <mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au>> wrote:
>
> What's the plan if some one legitimately wants to use a spot for a
> visitor how would they get the key ?
>
> Matt
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> On 27 Nov 2013, at 14:53, "Brook Beves" <brookbeves at bigpond.com
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> Sorry Matt but I agree with Rob on this one. The spaces are being
> used illegally and locking them is the only solution. There is
> little likelihood that an occupant acting illegally with the car
> spaces is going to run to a lawyer, and in any event they wouldn't
> have an action.
>
> I agree let's stop pussyfooting around and take some positive
> action. Rob, I am quite happy to admit the supplier of those
> locks into the building for a quote, just let me know who and when.
>
> Brook
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> *Subject:* [200William-EC] Car Park
>
> We're are our rights? The car park is being used illegally. Let's
> stop it and start charging for it.
>
> OK, how do we do a bloody bi-law without farting around for months
> on bloody end. Maxine, please assist in this. If they want to sue,
> they have no grounds as we simply give them a key for a fee. I
> call that access.
>
> By putting locks on the visitor spots does not restrict it. If a
> visitor wants to park there, they simply have to ask for a key,
> for a fee. Simple.
>
> Let's just do it. Like I said, we can fart around forever or just
> do it. It will happen so quickly, no one will know the difference.
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> On 27/11/2013, at 9:05 AM, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au
> <mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au>> wrote:
>
> I wish it was all that easy Rob. You can not restrict access to
> visitor parking without a bylaw. It requires and AGM/EGM. Locking
> people's car's is not legal you will get arrested. You cant touch
> peoples car's (as much as you want to ) The only remedy at our
> disposal is send a breach of bylaw notice. That's it. I dont make
> the law. Maxine please confirm.
>
> I will do some research and see if there is some sort of access
> control system we can use for visitor parking. That requires
> peoples pass keys etc to be used. In my experience this is very
> hard without a concierge. I dont think we can just close it off
> or we will have people threatening to sue us as we did with the
> roof access. I am also lucky to have Phillippa Russell one of
> Sydney's top strata lawyers in the office downstairs from me. I
> will see if I can solicit some free advise next time i bump into
> her in the lift. As to long term visitor parking there may be
> counsel implications etc. Let's investigate
>
> Right now all that we can do within the law is act under the
> existing bylaws.
>
> Perhaps we should have a meeting soon. When are you back next rob.
> (or can you skype in perhaps )
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
> On 27/11/13 2:17 PM, Rob Willett wrote:
>
> Car park: OK, we're all in agreement, I think the first and
> easiest step to stop illegal parking is to put those yellow
> bracket locks ( thats the best description I could come up
> with ). We offer the spaces for lease. They get a key to
> unlock their space. It's really simple although I am guessing
> in Nanny State Australia there will be some rule or bi-law or
> bloody regulation that says it's not easy.
>
> Let's stop buggarising around with the narcissicist in 502.
> Send them a warning notice immediately to stop parking there.
> If they don't, stick a wheel lock on her car. Can someone do
> this? Let me have her details ands I will GLADLY do it. Here
> she is renting a spot, the revenue should be coming to us, not
> her. We have evidence of her parking there, thanks Phil and
> Di, lets send her an invoice. Let's immediately install the
> brackets. Lets immediately notify the residents that spaces
> are available for a weekly monthly rental of $300 + GST,
> minimum 3 months, key deposit $200 + GST ( fully refundable ).
> We are not obliged to provide visitors spots. So don't. If we
> just get on with it, it can happen so quickly no one will no
> the difference.
>
> I think I am saying let's actually do something. The time has
> come.
>
> I will start by contacting a supplier to give us a cost for
> the brackets. As I am not in Sydney, would it be possible for
> someone to allow access to the contractor so they can see the
> spaces in order to quote on the job? I just need 1 person who
> lives in the building. We can arrange a mutually agreeable
> time. It will take 5 minutes.
>
> Who issues invoices on behalf of the building? Is it Maxine,
> is it George? I would be happy to do it. Just tell me what to
> do and I will issue the invoice on behalf of the EC. I just
> need the woman's details and I will do it right away. $75 per
> week ( cheap ) for 8 weeks + GST ( based on the evidence we
> have )
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> On 27/11/2013, at 7:30 AM, Brook Beves <brookbeves at bigpond.com
> <mailto:brookbeves at bigpond.com>> wrote:
>
> Visitor Parking Spaces:
>
> I am in total agreement to lease them out and derive income
> for the Body corporate. Currently there is no way to police
> people using them as they wish. As Matt says, there is
> already some selfish occupant within the building who has
> rented out their car space and selfishly plonks their vehicle
> in a visitors space without any regard for anyone else. Whilst
> George goes to a lot of trouble taking photos and attaching
> notices to every occupants door threatening action, the
> offenders just ignore/laugh at the notice. This also goes for
> other selfish occupants who don't give a damn and just park
> in the visitors spots for indefinite times. I too have had
> occasion when a guest to my apartment cannot park their
> vehicle because of the selfish actions/disregard by others.
>
> Storage Cages:
>
> I am in total agreement to Lease them out. They legally
> belong to the Owners Corporation. Whilst I have raised this
> issue previously this problem will not go away and it may well
> be that another owner, in the future or whenever, will ask the
> same question as I, as to who owns them and how do you get
> hold of one.
>
> Rooftop Barbeque:
>
> I agree that this needs to be more attractive and on a user
> pay basis. I don't consider this a priority.
>
> Rooftop Gymnasium:
>
> Again I agree this needs to be made more attractive and on a
> user pay basis, and perhaps placed on the EC agenda for follow
> up action.
>
> IN SUMMARY:
>
> I agree with Rob that the current levies for a building of
> this type is totally over the top, and where there is areas to
> derive income for the body corporate, then I am all in favour
> of pursuing those possibilities. As we agreed at the last EC
> meeting the installation of the CCTV cameras to the foyers on
> each floor is the only evidence the police can use to
> prosecute criminal and malicious behaviour, as we have
> recently witnessed. I am happy to support the best quote for
> this installation.
>
> Brook
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [200William-EC] Recovery of costs 200 William
> Street
>
> I do feel that the 5 visitor parking places should remain just
> that (as part of the appeal of the building, along with the
> roof access, etc) and we should work out a way to ensure they
> remain for visitors' use with a 24hr limit.
>
> We just want to make sure we don"t have a repetition of the
> woman who bought a house lower down Dowling St, then bought
> the 2 commercial spots, let the vendor remain in one, parked
> herself in the visitors' and brought in tradies each morning
> who were working on her house down to park in other visitors'
> spots !!
>
> Tradies working in the building are another matter, and I
> think they should be tolerated.
>
> In the next email I'll attach some evidence of the same car
> parked in the a visitor's spot since the 16th Nov.
>
> regards,
>
> Di
>
> On 27 November 2013 10:37, Dave Petschack <dave at robadda.com
> <mailto:dave at robadda.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all for their thought and feedback - some great ideas.
>
> I am particularly in favour of having a more managed approach
> to spare parking spaces and I would be keen to let these out
> if possible. the income would be very handy.
>
> I agree about a fee for renting out the cages - should have
> done it years ago - good idea Matt!
>
> Re the gym - it has always been a white elephant, but perhaps
> we consider a proper upgrade and a user pays. I think this
> would make people look after the equipment and restrict access
> to those who appreciate a gym.
>
> BBQ - area - i think the upgrade needs to be taken into
> consideration with some of the other renovations before making
> a decision. This woul be a low priority for me after security
> and foyer works.
>
> Thanks again all, Maxine, would you please add these ideas to
> the agenda for discussion as a group at next EC meeting.
>
> Regards Dave
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> On 26/11/2013, at 4:46 PM, Matt Perkins wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All,
> This is a bit of a knock-on from Rob's last email where he
> questioned
> costs of the upgrading of the building cameras. There seems a
> real
> problem here as the owners want reduced strata costs however our
> building is small and there is not that many lots to spread
> the cost
> over. There is not a lot of breathing room in the budget and
> owners want
> more facilities, Building upgrades and security features. We
> have
> little way to recoup some of these cost's other then strata
> levies
> however perhaps there are some options for us. It's of note
> that these
> suggestions will almost certainly require a bylaw change in it
> self will
> have an associated cost.
>
> User Pays.
> Brook recently brought up the idea of Cages that are on common
> property.
> lets lease these to people rather then giving them away. They
> have real
> value. It's not unreasnoable to ask $20 ~ $50 Per month for
> these in our
> Sydney location. This could add up to a few thousand per
> year. I note
> also that there are a few store rooms and other spaces
> throughout the
> building that are utilized. I for one would be happy to rent
> one of
> these. Let's put some figures on them and get them rented.
> It's money
> for jam.
>
> Gym - If we plan to fix/upgrade it. Perhaps we can charge
> people a
> maintenance fee if they use it. If they dont want to pay for
> it lets
> turn it into more storage space and save the P/L and
> Insurance. It's a
> simple matter of putting a card reader on the Gym Door and
> activating it
> on lots that pay only. It should at least cover the insurance
> and P/L
>
> Visitor parking - This is constantly used as parking for
> tenants. Evey
> time I have tried to get a visitor in there it's full of the
> usual
> suspects. Perhaps some sort of user pay's system would work
> here. I have
> no idea how but throwing it out there. At the very least a
> nominal fee
> may stop people using it as additional car spaces. I know for
> a fact
> that one tenant in the building is renting their space to an
> outside
> person and using visitor parking for there own car.
>
> The Roof - We have discussed user pays here before. My
> thoughts is it
> would have little chance of making it through a AGM/EGM as
> it's to
> attractive as a selling point for property in the building.
> But if
> upgrades were to happen the BBQ should at least have a coin box.
>
> Other property have done some of these measure nearby to great
> effect.
> (Particularly storage).
>
> Matt
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