[200William-EC] Car Park

Wed Nov 27 19:26:53 EST 2013

We have several buildings around the CBD who have enquired about the
same issue and were denied by Council. The development DA will have a
consent to ensure X amount of visitor car spaces must be provided.

A building we manage in Pyrmont introduced a By Law - stating that
access to the car park will be denied if a resident is found parking in
the visitors and a fee of $75 will be payable to have the access
reactivated. On the second occasion access will be denied permanently.
When the building manager carries out routine inspection, he takes a
photo of the vehicle then deactivates access to the car park. 

It's not fully water tight as for the  loop hole where the intercom can
allow access but there is a dramatic difference.

George

From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On
Behalf Of Diana Dennison
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013 4:16 PM
To: Matt Perkins; Rob Willett; Andrew James; Maxine Wickey; Philip Quirk
Cc: ec at 200william.com
Subject: Re: [200William-EC] Car Park

Hi All,

I can't believe you are all so short-sighted as to think we can do away
with visitors parking. Even the most unprepossessing little blocks built
after parking got scarce, offer this. I just hope it is a council
requirement. I think if you check with IKON, and other blocks you would
find they all have their share of VP! In the IKON's case, it's probably
controlled by the concierge. 

Rob, I will send you the pics again!

Di

On 27 November 2013 15:54, Diana Dennison <didee.cd at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Rob,

I want to emphasise that in a building of this quality, in an area where
parking is not easy, it is important to provide visitors' parking. Not
having any would certainly detract from the value of the apartments; I'm
sure other owner/occupiers would agree; it is part of the deal. It won't
make any difference to you or Dave but I assure you it would to me (and
others).  I know it is enticing to see it as a way to raise revenue, but
I think we'll have to stick with the storage spaces. I am dead against
it. I would never have bought into a strata system that did not have
visitors' parking. What does Maxine say?

Visitors can't all come in cabs.. my daughter often comes from the
Hunter Valley with 4 children arriving after dark with one asleep. It is
more than one trip up in the lift (after a long drive) and inevitably
something is forgotten and has to be fetched. It just wouldn't be
possible if she were parked in some parking station a fair walk away.
This is an essential amenity.

Cheers,

Di

On 27 November 2013 15:08, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:

What's the plan if some one legitimately wants to use a spot for a
visitor how would they get the key ? 

Matt

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On 27 Nov 2013, at 14:53, "Brook Beves" <brookbeves at bigpond.com> wrote:

	Sorry Matt but I agree with Rob on this one.  The spaces are
being used illegally and locking them is the only solution.  There is
little likelihood that an occupant acting illegally with the car spaces
is going to run to a lawyer, and in any event they wouldn't have an
action.

	I agree let's stop pussyfooting around and take some positive
action.  Rob, I am quite happy to admit the supplier of those locks into
the building for a quote, just let me know who and when.

	Brook

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[mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Rob Willett
	Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013 1:41 PM
	To: ec at 200william.com ec at 200william.com
	Subject: [200William-EC] Car Park

	We're are our rights? The car park is being used illegally.
Let's stop it and start charging for it.

	OK, how do we do a bloody bi-law without farting around for
months on bloody end. Maxine, please assist in this. If they want to
sue, they have no grounds as we simply give them a key for a fee. I call
that access. 

	By putting locks on the visitor spots does not restrict it. If a
visitor wants to park there, they simply have to ask for a key, for a
fee. Simple. 

	Let's just do it. Like I said, we can fart around forever or
just do it. It will happen so quickly, no one will know the difference. 

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	On 27/11/2013, at 9:05 AM, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au>
wrote:

	I wish it was all that easy Rob. You can not restrict access to
visitor parking without a bylaw. It requires and AGM/EGM. Locking
people's car's is not legal you will get arrested. You cant touch
peoples car's (as much as you want to ) The only remedy at our disposal
is send a breach of bylaw notice. That's it. I dont make the law.
Maxine please confirm. 

	I will do some research and see if there is some sort of access
control system we can use for visitor parking. That requires peoples
pass keys etc to be used. In my experience this is very hard without a
concierge.  I dont think we can just close it off or we will have people
threatening to sue us as we did with the roof access. I am also lucky to
have Phillippa Russell one of Sydney's top strata lawyers in the office
downstairs from me. I will see if I can solicit some free advise next
time i bump into her in the lift.  As to long term visitor parking there
may be counsel implications etc. Let's investigate

	Right now all that we can do within the law  is act under the
existing bylaws.

	Perhaps we should have a meeting soon. When are you back next
rob. (or can you skype in perhaps ) 

	Matt.

	On 27/11/13 2:17 PM, Rob Willett wrote:

		Car park: OK, we're all in agreement, I think the first
and easiest step to stop illegal parking is to put those yellow bracket
locks ( thats the best description I could come up with ). We offer the
spaces for lease. They get a key to unlock their space. It's really
simple although I am guessing in Nanny State Australia there will be
some rule or bi-law or bloody regulation that says it's not easy.

		Let's stop buggarising around with the narcissicist in
502. Send them a warning notice immediately to stop parking there. If
they don't, stick a wheel lock on her car. Can someone do this? Let me
have her details ands I will GLADLY do it. Here she is renting a spot,
the revenue should be coming to us, not her. We have evidence of her
parking there, thanks Phil and Di, lets send her an invoice.  Let's
immediately install the brackets. Lets immediately notify the residents
that spaces are available for a weekly monthly rental of $300 + GST,
minimum 3 months, key deposit $200 + GST ( fully refundable ). We are
not obliged to provide visitors spots. So don't. If we just get on with
it, it can happen so quickly no one will no the difference. 

		I think I am saying let's actually do something. The
time has come. 

		I will start by contacting a supplier to give us a cost
for the brackets. As I am not in Sydney, would it be possible for
someone to allow access to the contractor so they can see the spaces in
order to quote on the job? I just need 1 person who lives in the
building. We can arrange a mutually agreeable time. It will take 5
minutes. 

		Who issues invoices on behalf of the building? Is it
Maxine, is it George? I would be happy to do it. Just tell me what to do
and I will issue the invoice on behalf of the EC. I just need the
woman's details and I will do it right away. $75 per week ( cheap ) for
8 weeks + GST ( based on the evidence we have ) 

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		On 27/11/2013, at 7:30 AM, Brook Beves
<brookbeves at bigpond.com> wrote:

		Visitor Parking Spaces:

		I am in total agreement to lease them out and derive
income for the Body corporate.  Currently there is no way to police
people using them as they wish.  As Matt says, there is already some
selfish occupant within the building who has rented out their car space
and selfishly plonks their vehicle in a visitors space without any
regard for anyone else.  Whilst George goes to a lot of trouble taking
photos and attaching notices to every occupants door threatening action,
the offenders just ignore/laugh at the notice. This also goes for other
selfish occupants  who don't give a damn and just park in the visitors
spots for indefinite times.  I too have had occasion when a guest to my
apartment cannot park their vehicle because of the selfish
actions/disregard by others.

		Storage Cages:

		I am in total agreement to Lease them out.  They legally
belong to the Owners Corporation.  Whilst I have raised this issue
previously this problem will not go away and it may well be that another
owner, in the future or whenever, will ask the same question as I, as to
who owns them and how do you get hold of one.

		Rooftop Barbeque:

		I agree that this needs to be more attractive and on a
user pay basis.  I don't consider this a priority.

		Rooftop Gymnasium:

		Again I agree this needs to be made more attractive and
on a user pay basis, and perhaps placed on the EC agenda for follow up
action.

		IN SUMMARY:

		I agree with Rob that the current levies for a building
of this type is totally over the top, and where there is areas to derive
income for the body corporate, then I am all in favour of pursuing those
possibilities.  As we agreed at the last EC meeting the installation of
the CCTV cameras to the foyers on each floor is the only evidence the
police can use to prosecute criminal and malicious behaviour, as we have
recently witnessed.   I am happy to support the best quote for this
installation.

		Brook

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		Subject: Re: [200William-EC] Recovery of costs 200
William Street

		I do feel that the 5 visitor parking places should
remain just that (as part of the appeal of the building, along with the
roof access, etc) and we should work out a way to ensure they remain for
visitors' use with a 24hr limit. 

		We just want to make sure we don"t have a repetition of
the woman who bought a house lower down Dowling St, then bought the 2
commercial spots, let the vendor remain in one, parked herself in the
visitors' and brought in tradies each morning who were working on her
house down to park in other visitors' spots !!

		Tradies working in the building are another matter, and
I think they should be tolerated. 

		In the next email I'll attach some evidence of the same
car parked in the a visitor's spot since the 16th Nov.

		regards,

		Di 

		On 27 November 2013 10:37, Dave Petschack
<dave at robadda.com <mailto:dave at robadda.com> > wrote:

		Thanks to all for their thought and feedback - some
great ideas.

		I am particularly in favour of having a more managed
approach to spare parking spaces and I would be keen to let these out if
possible. the income would be very handy.

		I agree about a fee for renting out the cages - should
have done it years ago - good idea Matt!

		Re the gym - it has always been a white elephant, but
perhaps we consider a proper upgrade and a user pays. I think this would
make people look after the equipment and restrict access to those who
appreciate a gym.

		BBQ - area - i think the upgrade needs to be taken into
consideration with some of the other renovations before making a
decision. This woul be a low priority for me after security and foyer
works.

		Thanks again all, Maxine, would you please add these
ideas to the agenda for discussion as a group at next EC meeting.

		Regards Dave

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		On 26/11/2013, at 4:46 PM, Matt Perkins wrote:

		Hi All,
		 This is a bit of a knock-on from Rob's last email where
he questioned 
		costs of the upgrading of the building cameras. There
seems a real 
		problem here as the owners want reduced strata costs
however our 
		building is small and there is not that many lots to
spread the cost 
		over. There is not a lot of breathing room in the budget
and owners want 
		more facilities, Building upgrades and security
features.  We have 
		little way to recoup some of these cost's other then
strata levies 
		however perhaps there are some options for us.  It's of
note that these 
		suggestions will almost certainly require a bylaw change
in it self will 
		have an associated cost.

		User Pays.
		Brook recently brought up the idea of Cages that are on
common property. 
		lets lease these to people rather then giving them away.
They have real 
		value. It's not unreasnoable to ask $20 ~ $50 Per month
for these in our 
		Sydney location.  This could add up to a few thousand
per year. I note 
		also that there are a few store rooms and other spaces
throughout the 
		building that are utilized. I for one would be happy to
rent one of 
		these.  Let's put some figures on them and get them
rented. It's money 
		for jam.

		Gym - If we plan to fix/upgrade it. Perhaps we can
charge people a 
		maintenance fee if they use it. If they dont want to pay
for it lets 
		turn it into more storage space and save the P/L and
Insurance. It's a 
		simple matter of putting a card reader on the Gym Door
and activating it 
		on lots that pay only. It should at least cover the
insurance and P/L

		Visitor parking - This is constantly used as parking for
tenants. Evey 
		time I have tried to get a visitor in there it's  full
of the usual 
		suspects. Perhaps some sort of user pay's system would
work here. I have 
		no idea how but throwing it out there.  At the very
least a nominal fee 
		may stop people using it as additional car spaces. I
know for a fact 
		that one tenant in the building is renting their space
to an outside 
		person and using visitor parking for there own car.

		The Roof - We have discussed user pays here before. My
thoughts is it 
		would have little chance of making it through a AGM/EGM
as it's to 
		attractive as a selling point for property in the
building. But if 
		upgrades were to happen the BBQ should at least have a
coin box.

		Other property have done some of these measure nearby to
great effect. 
		(Particularly storage).

		Matt

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