[200William-EC] MARQUIS - NORTH FACING APARTMENTS
Matt Perkins
matt at spectrum.com.au
Tue Apr 9 15:22:18 EST 2013
According to my documentation Volume 1 of the BCA is for commercial
buildings residential buildings are covered under volume 2.
Also why was this not mentioned during previous inspections. Does that
mean our previous certs were issued in error. I think we need a second
opinion here.
The way the paragraph bellow is read it is not optional to have the
alarm/flashing light and the sign both are required. This is the sort of
stuff you put on a fire door in a shopping center or something. I cant
believe it's relevant to a commercial building. If it is why did the
builder not provide it when the building was built.
I think we need a second opinion here. At a minimum we need to know why
it's suddenly a problem and was never before.
Matt.
On 9/04/13 2:43 PM, George Ziri wrote:
>
> The door is controlled by the Fire Indicator panel.
>
> ________________________________________________________
> *George Ziri | Operations*
>
> **
>
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>
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> *From:*Matt Perkins [mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 April 2013 2:01 PM
> *To:* George Ziri
> *Cc:* ec at 200william.com
> *Subject:* Re: [200William-EC] MARQUIS - NORTH FACING APARTMENTS
>
> Are you sure this is a fire door. It's glass. I thought a fire door
> had to be fire rated. This sounds more like a smoke door or some other
> sort of special arrangement.
>
> Can we get the rest of this document I would like to take a look at
> it. Is it the building code of Australia. Shane do you have access to
> that.
>
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
> On 9/04/13 12:57 PM, George Ziri wrote:
>
> No attack taken...
>
> Council have picked up that C3.6 is absent from the statement.
> They have provided 14 days to have rectified otherwise they will
> impose fines. If this measure isn't corrected then they will
> enforce a fire order on the building.
>
> I thought the sticker option would be the cheaper and quickest
> measure around this.
>
> The second option would be to install an audible device and a
> flashing light. This would take a bit longer considering the work
> involved and more expensive. If this measure was approved then the
> conduit would run:
>
> 1.From the FIP room on Dowling st and through AVIS car park to the
> laneway
>
> 2.Run up the wall between the 01 and 02 balcony dividing walls
>
> 3.At each balcony a conduit will be fixed to the face of the wall
> where the audible siren and alarm will be placed. The size of
> these items would be no more than 100mm in diameter.
>
> I have asked the fire company to provide a quote.
>
> C3.6 Sliding fire doors
>
> (a) If a doorway in a fire wall is fitted with a sliding fire door
> which is open when the
>
> building is in use-
>
> (i) it must be held open with an electromagnetic device, which
> when de-activated
>
> in accordance with (b), allows the door to be fully closed not
> less than
>
> 20 seconds, and not more than 30 seconds, after release; and
>
> (ii) in the event of power failure to the door-the door must fail
> safe in the closed
>
> position in accordance with (i); and
>
> (iii) an audible warning device must be located near the doorway
> and a red
>
> flashing warning light of adequate intensity on each side of the
> doorway must
>
> be activated in accordance with (b); and
>
> Building Code of Australia---Volume One---PART C3 Page 75
>
> (iv) signs must be installed on each side of the doorway located
> directly over the
>
> opening stating-
>
> WARNING-SLIDING FIRE DOOR
>
> in capital letters not less than 50 mm high in a colour
> contrasting with the
>
> background.
>
> ________________________________________________________
> *George Ziri | Operations*
>
> **
>
> *Building Facilities Management Solutions Pty Ltd*
>
> Direct: 0400 300 242 | Facsimile: 9547 3132 | PO BOX A2319 SYDNEY
> SOUTH NSW 1235
>
> visit us www.bfms.com.au <http://www.bfms.com.au>
>
> *From:*ec-bounces at 200william.com
> <mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com>
> [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Perkins
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 April 2013 10:31 AM
> *To:* ec at 200william.com <mailto:ec at 200william.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [200William-EC] MARQUIS - NORTH FACING APARTMENTS
>
> Hi George,
> Let me provide a more considered response now that I have thought
> about it a bit. Firstly I would like to declare a conflict of
> interest in that my property is one of the effected apartments and
> I believe that a sign of this nature will directly effect the
> resale value of my apartment. Through obstruction of the view and
> esthetics with it's positioning. Secondly it brings to the
> attention of any perspective buyers that there is something not
> quite normal with our apartment. That being the 10,000L of ULP
> under the ramp in the basement.
>
> Also George please dont think this is directed at you. We
> appreciate you are getting all the facts together for us and
> understand your on the clock.
>
>
> Can you please provide the relevant legislation/act/decree that
> stipulates this sign.
> Can you also give us an idea of the ramifications of not complying
> . Im guessing we will not get a fire compliance certificate and
> will be fined (that is the owners corp will be fined)
> Is there any sort of appeal process or area where special
> consideration can be given.
> Can we ask the building architect/engineer for other options that
> comply with the legislation/act/decree
>
> Just to let you know my kitchen does not back on to this door. I
> have two doors one is in the middle of the lounge room the other
> is in a bedroom. The bedroom door does not have a single segment
> larger then 700mm so a 730mm sign simply would not fit. The longe
> one has a curtain pelmet and could not be seen anyway at the top.
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
> On 8/04/13 5:50 PM, George Ziri wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon All,
>
> The north Facing apartments shown below have an automatic
> sliding door which activates (closes) when the fire alarm
> activates. The reason only the North facing sliding doors are
> equipped with this is due to AVIS's on site fuel situation.
>
> As part of the fire safety statement Council has picked up
> that measure C3.6 is required to be certified and have given
> us until the 14.4.13. What is required is a sign to be
> "displayed at both sides of the door entry". This is to remind
> residents that the door may shut at anytime (fire alarm
> activation)
>
> In most cases the kitchen backs on to the sliding door and
> will be impossible to have it close to the door. I have
> suggested to place on each side of glass to each door.
>
> Your thoughts please. The signs need to be up by the 14^th of
> this month. Therefore require a agreement by Wednesday this week.
>
> 101,102,201,202,301,302,401,402,501,502
>
> ________________________________________________________
> *George Ziri | Operations*
>
> **
>
> *Building Facilities Management Solutions Pty Ltd*
>
> Direct: 0400 300 242 | Facsimile: 9547 3132 | PO BOX A2319
> SYDNEY SOUTH NSW 1235
>
> visit us www.bfms.com.au <http://www.bfms.com.au>
>
> *From:*Thurston Signs [mailto:thurstonsigns at bigpond.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 April 2013 3:31 PM
> *To:* George Ziri
> *Subject:* Thurston Signs
>
> Hi George,
> Please see attached file, 2 stickers, BACK TO BACK.
>
> Kind Regards Lee
>
> On 5/04/2013 4:50 PM, George Ziri wrote:
>
> Hi Lee,
>
> I need a sticker with the txt below. I will be placing on
> a glass sliding door and the text needs to be visible on
> both sides of the door.
>
> WARNING-SLIDING FIRE DOOR
>
> in capital letters not less than 50 mm high in a colour
> contrasting with the
>
> background.
>
> ________________________________________________________
> *George Ziri | Operations*
>
> **
>
> *Building Facilities Management Solutions Pty Ltd*
>
> Direct: 0400 300 242 | Facsimile: 9547 3132 | PO BOX A2319
> SYDNEY SOUTH NSW 1235
>
> visit us www.bfms.com.au <http://www.bfms.com.au>
>
> *From:*NFS Vadim [mailto:vadim at newsound.com.au]
> *Sent:* Friday, 5 April 2013 7:46 AM
> *To:* George Ziri
> *Subject:* RE: 200 WIlliam
>
> Yes sticker is fine as per below dimensions.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Vadim
>
> *From:*George Ziri [mailto:Georgeziri at bfms.com.au]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 4 April 2013 7:55 PM
> *To:* NFS Vadim
> *Subject:* RE: 200 WIlliam
>
> Thanks Vadim.
>
> Can we make a sticker and place it on either side of the door?
>
> ________________________________________________________
> *George Ziri | Operations*
>
> **
>
> *Building Facilities Management Solutions Pty Ltd*
>
> Direct: 0400 300 242 | Facsimile: 9547 3132 | PO BOX A2319
> SYDNEY SOUTH NSW 1235
>
> visit us www.bfms.com.au <http://www.bfms.com.au>
>
> *From:*NFS Vadim [mailto:vadim at newsound.com.au]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 4 April 2013 3:00 PM
> *To:* George Ziri
> *Subject:* 200 WIlliam
>
> Hi George,
>
> Since council is only request for fire safety measure --
> Warning Operational Signs we only need to install sign
> that complies to C3.6
>
> *From BCA:*
>
> signs must be installed on each side of the doorway
> located directly over the
>
> opening stating-
>
> WARNING-SLIDING FIRE DOOR
>
> in capital letters not less than 50 mm high in a colour
> contrasting with the
>
> background.
>
> Are these signs installed on site? If so can you take a
> photo then I can certify the signs. If not we need to
> install them.
>
> Costs per sign around $120+GST minimum amount to be
> charged $200+GST
>
> Should you have any further questions or queries please do
> not hesitate to contact us.
>
> Regards,
>
> /Vadim Shargorodsky
> /Operations Manager
>
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