[200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - Engineers Report for Water Issues for Unit 601 & 602

Matt Perkins matt at spectrum.com.au
Tue Jul 5 10:54:02 AEST 2016


Hi All,
  If we are going to use an engineer to prepare scope of work. May I 
Suggest we use a hydraulic expert.  As the last engineer we used gave us 
incorrect advice.

These guys have had experience  with both insurance and tribunal matters 
and I think would be more suited to the problem in the basement.

Matt.


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On 5/07/2016 10:33 AM, Matt Perkins wrote:
> The last engineer's scope of work (which was wrong) cost us about 
> $2k~  .  I guess if we are going down that path again. We need to have 
> a EC vote to decided if we should engage the engineer to prepare a 
> scope of work to cut in a drain to fix the water pooling on P4
>
> I think perhaps the whole job could cost lest then the preparing the 
> scope of work. But then im an electrical engineer not a plumber.
>
>
> Matt.
>
>
> On 5/07/2016 10:16 AM, Patrick Rush wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matt & Committee,
>>
>>
>> I would agree with Darren in having an Engineer prepare a scope of 
>> work and then tendering for the work.
>>
>>
>> This would mean that all the work completed can be checked off by the 
>> Engineer and any issues with such work, can then be resolved by the 
>> Engineer.
>>
>>
>> I would feel more comfortable with an Engineer setting the scope of 
>> work particularly if the cost is to be a major cost.
>>
>>
>> This would be my advice to the Owners Corporation.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> *Patrick Rush*
>>
>> Strata Manager
>>
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>> *From:*Matt Perkins [mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 July 2016 8:15 AM
>> *To:* Marquis BFMS
>> *Cc:* Patrick Rush; ec at 200william.com
>> *Subject:* Re: SP 67851 - Engineers Report for Water Issues for Unit 
>> 601 & 602
>>
>> Is it possible to get quotes first. We need to sort out if we can 
>> even afford it before we start spending money on getting an engineer. 
>> The scope of work does not seem that hard. Does it have to be 
>> completed by an engineer. That will likely cost 1000's more
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On 5 Jul 2016, at 06:39, Marquis BFMS <marquis at bfms.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>>     In order to install a drain in P4 to catch the pooling water in
>>     602’s storage cage and car space 15 we will require approval from
>>     an engineer to cut into the basement floor and install a 300mm
>>     wide x 200mm deep drain running back to the drainage pit. We
>>     would suggest approaching Wayne Costin from Strata Engineering
>>     Solutions to assist with this matter.
>>
>>     Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>     Darren Vignes
>>
>>     Building Manager
>>
>>     Marquis Apartments
>>
>>
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>     On 4 Jul 2016, at 8:05 PM, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Patrick,
>>          Thanks for the clarification.  I have marked the direction
>>         of water flow on the strata plan.
>>
>>         The water is flowing under the ramp in a line roughly
>>         adjacent to the curved line between the ramp and the
>>         direction of water flow.
>>         The tank is located in the box as located by the Commercial
>>         strata plan number. It's not the tank itself that causes the
>>         water to flow that way but the design of the ramp Which is
>>         setup in such a way which would not be needed if not for the
>>         tank.
>>
>>         Im guessing the long and the sort of it is we are responsible
>>         for cutting in the drain. Darren The key info I think we need
>>         is the values of the quotes for the drain so we can decided
>>         if we have the budget to pay for it's install or if a levy
>>         needs to be raised.  if a levy needs to be raised. I think it
>>         would be best to get the restorations to the water leak's
>>         from level7 to 6 balcony's costs into the same EGM. So we
>>         only need to call one EGM.
>>
>>         Darren what is your estimate for when you will have the
>>         quotes available for the drain.
>>
>>         Matt
>>
>>
>>
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>>         On 4/07/2016 5:16 PM, Patrick Rush wrote:
>>
>>             Hi Matt & Fellow Committee Members,
>>
>>
>>             Basement Level 4 is in fact the Owners SP 67851’s
>>             property with easements as per the attached strata plan
>>             that allow SP 67850 to use parts of the areas. There are
>>             no exclusive use By Laws.
>>
>>
>>             Depending on what the easements say and where the fuel
>>             tank is located will determine who is responsible for the
>>             repairs and maintenance.
>>
>>
>>             It will not likely be the BMC but either the commercial
>>             or residential strata that are required to undertake the
>>             repairs.
>>
>>             Darren, can you please mark on the attached strata plan
>>             exactly where the fuel tank is located and I can then
>>             review along with the easement and advise who is
>>             responsible for the repair s and maintenance of the
>>             leaking water if in fact this is coming from the fuel
>>             tank. Can you also confirm if water is leaking from this
>>             fuel tank and causing the pooling water in Basement Level 4?
>>
>>             Kind regards,
>>
>>             *Patrick Rush*
>>
>>             Strata Manager
>>
>>             Phone:(02) 9266 2600 | Email:prush at stratatitle.com.au |
>>             Address:PO Box 2727, Taren Point, NSW 2229
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>>             *From:*ec-bounces at 200william.com
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>>             [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt
>>             Perkins
>>             *Sent:* Friday, 1 July 2016 6:17 PM
>>             *To:* Ed Sainsbury
>>             *Cc:* ec at 200william.com <mailto:ec at 200william.com>;
>>             Marquis BFMS
>>             *Subject:* Re: [200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 -
>>             Engineers Report for Water Issues for Unit 601 & 602
>>
>>             Sorry for my short reply before I was out and about and
>>             didn't want to see someone exposing a 10,000l  fuel tank
>>             with a metal crowbar.
>>
>>             The matter with the water in the carpark has been
>>             determined by Darren and the contractors to be water from
>>             the wet wall   Seeping along under where the ramp was
>>             poured over the slab.  In essence it's bad building design.
>>
>>             Two solutions have been offered. Cutting a drain and / or
>>             cleaning the wet wall Pitts and walls  in that area so
>>             water can more easily drain to the sump.
>>
>>             The strata manager has determined that level p4 is
>>             residential strata as there are no commercial lots there.
>>             However as Avis maintain an exclusive use bylaw for the
>>             fuel tank which is part of the commercial strata. Not
>>             only is the tank located on level p4 but it's design is
>>             partly responsible for the water under the ramp. Therefor
>>             I believe the strata manager is in error.
>>
>>             I believe the water in the car park is a bmc issue and
>>             the solution should be to cut in a drain to the sump. An
>>             expense which should be born by the bmc.
>>
>>             I will ask the strata manager to put the question to the
>>             bmc. I'm sure Andrews response will be to deny the request.
>>
>>             Where we go from there is uncertain. We could pay for it
>>             ourselves with a special levy or we could perhaps find a
>>             way to compel the bmc to fix the issue.
>>
>>             Darren is obtaining quotes for the fix.
>>
>>             -- 
>>
>>             /* Matt Perkins
>>
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>>
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>>             On 1 Jul 2016, at 4:50 PM, Ed Sainsbury
>>             <edsainsbury at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>                 Dear EC,
>>
>>                 I went up to Craig's apartment to have him show me
>>                 the water issues, so I could better understand them.
>>                 I can confirm that there is still water coming down
>>                 behind the exterior paint from the roof area on the
>>                 western and north-western sides. It is creating
>>                 pockets of pooled water under the exterior paint.
>>
>>                 I was also shown the water polling in the basement. I
>>                 am thinking that it might be coming from pumps or
>>                 other, that are under the plates on the ramp down to
>>                 P4. I was wondering if anyone k owe whether the
>>                 strata has steel rods (like a crow bar) that are used
>>                 to lift the concrete plates, so that we could look in
>>                 to see if they are leaking.
>>
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>>                 Regards,
>>
>>                 Edward
>>
>>                 Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>                 On 1 Jul 2016, at 12:51 PM, Robin Patrick
>>                 <robin.j.patrick at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:robin.j.patrick at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                     I agree to proceed with the recommendations.
>>
>>                     Thanks
>>
>>                     RJP
>>
>>                     On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Patrick Rush
>>                     <prush at stratatitle.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>                     Dear Committee,
>>
>>
>>                     Please see attached a copy of the report from
>>                     Strata Engineering Solutions.
>>
>>                     Please review and if you agree with the
>>                     recommendations on Page 2 & 3 I will request the
>>                     Engineer to proceed?
>>
>>                     If agreed, I believe it may also be best to have
>>                     Strata Engineering Solutions attend and inspect
>>                     the pooling issue in the basement car park
>>                     currently being experienced.
>>
>>                     Both these items will be at a charge, while the
>>                     attached report was carried out at no charge.
>>
>>                     Please advise on Teh above?
>>
>>                     Kind regards,
>>
>>                     *Patrick Rush*
>>
>>                     Strata Manager
>>
>>                     Phone:(02) 9266 2600 |
>>                     Email:prush at stratatitle.com.au
>>                     <mailto:northshore at stratatitle.com.au> |
>>                     Address:PO Box 2727, Taren Point, NSW 2229
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>>         /* Matt Perkins
>>
>>                  Direct 1300 137 379        Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd.
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>>                  Office 1300 133 299matt at spectrum.com.au <mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au>  
>>
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         Office 1300 133 299        matt at spectrum.com.au
                                    Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000
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