[200William-EC] Car Park
Rob Willett
rob at robadda.com
Wed Nov 27 14:41:22 EST 2013
We're are our rights? The car park is being used illegally. Let's stop it and start charging for it.
OK, how do we do a bloody bi-law without farting around for months on bloody end. Maxine, please assist in this. If they want to sue, they have no grounds as we simply give them a key for a fee. I call that access.
By putting locks on the visitor spots does not restrict it. If a visitor wants to park there, they simply have to ask for a key, for a fee. Simple.
Let's just do it. Like I said, we can fart around forever or just do it. It will happen so quickly, no one will know the difference.
IN SRI LANKA / CELL PHONE +94 766 88 92 98
5.5 HOURS BEHIND SYDNEY / 10.5 HOURS AHEAD NEW YORK
On 27/11/2013, at 9:05 AM, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:
> I wish it was all that easy Rob. You can not restrict access to visitor parking without a bylaw. It requires and AGM/EGM. Locking people's car's is not legal you will get arrested. You cant touch peoples car's (as much as you want to ) The only remedy at our disposal is send a breach of bylaw notice. That's it. I dont make the law. Maxine please confirm.
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> I will do some research and see if there is some sort of access control system we can use for visitor parking. That requires peoples pass keys etc to be used. In my experience this is very hard without a concierge. I dont think we can just close it off or we will have people threatening to sue us as we did with the roof access. I am also lucky to have Phillippa Russell one of Sydney's top strata lawyers in the office downstairs from me. I will see if I can solicit some free advise next time i bump into her in the lift. As to long term visitor parking there may be counsel implications etc. Let's investigate
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> Right now all that we can do within the law is act under the existing bylaws.
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> Perhaps we should have a meeting soon. When are you back next rob. (or can you skype in perhaps )
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> Matt.
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> On 27/11/13 2:17 PM, Rob Willett wrote:
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>> Car park: OK, we're all in agreement, I think the first and easiest step to stop illegal parking is to put those yellow bracket locks ( thats the best description I could come up with ). We offer the spaces for lease. They get a key to unlock their space. It's really simple although I am guessing in Nanny State Australia there will be some rule or bi-law or bloody regulation that says it's not easy.
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>> Let's stop buggarising around with the narcissicist in 502. Send them a warning notice immediately to stop parking there. If they don't, stick a wheel lock on her car. Can someone do this? Let me have her details ands I will GLADLY do it. Here she is renting a spot, the revenue should be coming to us, not her. We have evidence of her parking there, thanks Phil and Di, lets send her an invoice. Let's immediately install the brackets. Lets immediately notify the residents that spaces are available for a weekly monthly rental of $300 + GST, minimum 3 months, key deposit $200 + GST ( fully refundable ). We are not obliged to provide visitors spots. So don't. If we just get on with it, it can happen so quickly no one will no the difference.
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>> I think I am saying let's actually do something. The time has come.
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>> I will start by contacting a supplier to give us a cost for the brackets. As I am not in Sydney, would it be possible for someone to allow access to the contractor so they can see the spaces in order to quote on the job? I just need 1 person who lives in the building. We can arrange a mutually agreeable time. It will take 5 minutes.
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>> Who issues invoices on behalf of the building? Is it Maxine, is it George? I would be happy to do it. Just tell me what to do and I will issue the invoice on behalf of the EC. I just need the woman's details and I will do it right away. $75 per week ( cheap ) for 8 weeks + GST ( based on the evidence we have )
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>> On 27/11/2013, at 7:30 AM, Brook Beves <brookbeves at bigpond.com> wrote:
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>>> Visitor Parking Spaces:
>>> I am in total agreement to lease them out and derive income for the Body corporate. Currently there is no way to police people using them as they wish. As Matt says, there is already some selfish occupant within the building who has rented out their car space and selfishly plonks their vehicle in a visitors space without any regard for anyone else. Whilst George goes to a lot of trouble taking photos and attaching notices to every occupants door threatening action, the offenders just ignore/laugh at the notice. This also goes for other selfish occupants who don’t give a damn and just park in the visitors spots for indefinite times. I too have had occasion when a guest to my apartment cannot park their vehicle because of the selfish actions/disregard by others.
>>> Storage Cages:
>>> I am in total agreement to Lease them out. They legally belong to the Owners Corporation. Whilst I have raised this issue previously this problem will not go away and it may well be that another owner, in the future or whenever, will ask the same question as I, as to who owns them and how do you get hold of one.
>>> Rooftop Barbeque:
>>> I agree that this needs to be more attractive and on a user pay basis. I don’t consider this a priority.
>>> Rooftop Gymnasium:
>>> Again I agree this needs to be made more attractive and on a user pay basis, and perhaps placed on the EC agenda for follow up action.
>>> IN SUMMARY:
>>> I agree with Rob that the current levies for a building of this type is totally over the top, and where there is areas to derive income for the body corporate, then I am all in favour of pursuing those possibilities. As we agreed at the last EC meeting the installation of the CCTV cameras to the foyers on each floor is the only evidence the police can use to prosecute criminal and malicious behaviour, as we have recently witnessed. I am happy to support the best quote for this installation.
>>> Brook
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>>> om: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Diana Dennison
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013 10:51 AM
>>> To: Dave Petschack
>>> Cc: ec at 200william.com
>>> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] Recovery of costs 200 William Street
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>>> I do feel that the 5 visitor parking places should remain just that (as part of the appeal of the building, along with the roof access, etc) and we should work out a way to ensure they remain for visitors' use with a 24hr limit.
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>>> We just want to make sure we don"t have a repetition of the woman who bought a house lower down Dowling St, then bought the 2 commercial spots, let the vendor remain in one, parked herself in the visitors' and brought in tradies each morning who were working on her house down to park in other visitors' spots !!
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>>> Tradies working in the building are another matter, and I think they should be tolerated.
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>>> In the next email I'll attach some evidence of the same car parked in the a visitor's spot since the 16th Nov.
>>>
>>> regards,
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>>> Di
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>>> On 27 November 2013 10:37, Dave Petschack <dave at robadda.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks to all for their thought and feedback - some great ideas.
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>>> I am particularly in favour of having a more managed approach to spare parking spaces and I would be keen to let these out if possible. the income would be very handy.
>>>
>>> I agree about a fee for renting out the cages - should have done it years ago - good idea Matt!
>>>
>>> Re the gym - it has always been a white elephant, but perhaps we consider a proper upgrade and a user pays. I think this would make people look after the equipment and restrict access to those who appreciate a gym.
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>>> BBQ - area - i think the upgrade needs to be taken into consideration with some of the other renovations before making a decision. This woul be a low priority for me after security and foyer works.
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>>> Thanks again all, Maxine, would you please add these ideas to the agenda for discussion as a group at next EC meeting.
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>>> Regards Dave
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>>> On 26/11/2013, at 4:46 PM, Matt Perkins wrote:
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>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> This is a bit of a knock-on from Rob's last email where he questioned
>>> costs of the upgrading of the building cameras. There seems a real
>>> problem here as the owners want reduced strata costs however our
>>> building is small and there is not that many lots to spread the cost
>>> over. There is not a lot of breathing room in the budget and owners want
>>> more facilities, Building upgrades and security features. We have
>>> little way to recoup some of these cost's other then strata levies
>>> however perhaps there are some options for us. It's of note that these
>>> suggestions will almost certainly require a bylaw change in it self will
>>> have an associated cost.
>>>
>>> User Pays.
>>> Brook recently brought up the idea of Cages that are on common property.
>>> lets lease these to people rather then giving them away. They have real
>>> value. It's not unreasnoable to ask $20 ~ $50 Per month for these in our
>>> Sydney location. This could add up to a few thousand per year. I note
>>> also that there are a few store rooms and other spaces throughout the
>>> building that are utilized. I for one would be happy to rent one of
>>> these. Let's put some figures on them and get them rented. It's money
>>> for jam.
>>>
>>> Gym - If we plan to fix/upgrade it. Perhaps we can charge people a
>>> maintenance fee if they use it. If they dont want to pay for it lets
>>> turn it into more storage space and save the P/L and Insurance. It's a
>>> simple matter of putting a card reader on the Gym Door and activating it
>>> on lots that pay only. It should at least cover the insurance and P/L
>>>
>>> Visitor parking - This is constantly used as parking for tenants. Evey
>>> time I have tried to get a visitor in there it's full of the usual
>>> suspects. Perhaps some sort of user pay's system would work here. I have
>>> no idea how but throwing it out there. At the very least a nominal fee
>>> may stop people using it as additional car spaces. I know for a fact
>>> that one tenant in the building is renting their space to an outside
>>> person and using visitor parking for there own car.
>>>
>>> The Roof - We have discussed user pays here before. My thoughts is it
>>> would have little chance of making it through a AGM/EGM as it's to
>>> attractive as a selling point for property in the building. But if
>>> upgrades were to happen the BBQ should at least have a coin box.
>>>
>>> Other property have done some of these measure nearby to great effect.
>>> (Particularly storage).
>>>
>>> Matt
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