[200William-EC] MARQUIS - NEW YEARS EVE SECURITY
Shane Ellis
shane at ellisconstructions.com.au
Fri Jan 11 18:53:14 EST 2013
Hi All,
I am in agreement with Craig & Matt.
But I 'get' the other side of the argument. If I were an owner-occupier in a South-facing apartment, I would not take this as an acceptable option... We all know how nice it is to view and entertain on NYE from the comfort of our building.
As such, I believe that this is a policing issue. We need security guards who aren't afraid to manhandle disrespectful 'guests' out of the building, and keep them out.
I propose next year, we increase the costs of roof access to offset the cost of another guard... Someone with muscle who will enforce the rules.
It's always the way that a few morons ruin things for everyone... Instead of punish everyone else, let's just punish the morons.
Best Regards
Shane Ellis
0423 000 221
On 11/01/2013, at 2:36 PM, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:
On 11/01/13 5:20 PM, Tony Araujo wrote:
> Matt,
>
> I made two points that you are not commenting on:
Sorry i did not answer all your points. I tried to keep it brief I know my email's can be a bit long winded for people that are not used to a lot of written correspondence.
> 1) Your statement to give access just to owners
It was a suggestion. Something to consider. You dont have to agree with it. Im not sure I think it's a good idea but thought I would put it out there. Im not arguing for it I argued for a complete prohibition on NYE access to the roof.
> 2) It work all those years in the past
No it didn't last year my outdoor furniture was damaged by cigarette but's. This year it was also out of control.
> 3) Without a question the security didn’t do what they suppose too and that is a fact, that’s why this year was a mess out of control.
I told them what the instruction's were. They knew full well All they were missing was the guest list.
As an investor I would be more worried about the cost of extra cleaning, extra security, damage to the carpet and the threat of litigation which has the secondary effect of increasing insurance premiums. This directly effects you in the form of strata fees. Apposed to one night of the year people not having access to the roof. Something a tenant would not even know when they signed the lease. Do you seriously think that some one would investigate if the roof was open on NYE when they signed a lease. Unless the agent sells the place as. Hay rent here you can trash the place on NYE. It's a blast. If you didnt mention it how would they even know.
So my questions to you are.
1) Do you think a perspective tenant would enquirer as to the status of the roof on NYE and do you think it would effect their decision to rent.
2) Are you not concerned about the potential increase in out budget due to secondary effects of NYE roof access
3) Do you know what our public liability insurance ramifications are of holding a paid for event on the roof on NYE. In the event someone is injured killed or assaulted.
Matt.
>
> From: Matt Perkins [mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013 5:11 PM
> To: Tony Araujo
> Cc: CSCL; ec at 200william.com
> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] MARQUIS - NEW YEARS EVE SECURITY
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> Would a tenant even know that the roof was unavailable for 1 night a year when they take out a lease. There are existing restrictions on the time the outdoor aria is available now every other night of the year. You cant go out there at midnight any other night. I want to have a party out on the roof on Australia day at 2am why cant i. It's the same argument.. I cant believe you could possibly loose a tenant because they could not access the roof 1 night a year. I have a investment property at Zenith . The deck area at Zenith is on top of the coke sign and has one of the best views in Sydney for NYE. But guess what. No access at all NYE/NYD. Many propertys in the Cross dont allow access to area for example pool's and Gyms on NYE.
>
> With respect Tony you dont live there you dont know the mess and and rubush let alone the hords drunk people running up and down the stairs and blocking the lift every 15 - 20 min to scull a beer and then go back up because you cant drink up stairs.
>
> Matt.
>
> On 11/01/13 4:41 PM, Tony Araujo wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> This is my first response to all this new year’s saga.
>
> Well, it’s all well said and done, and few comments are not sinking in my mind. Let face it the building has been there for 12 years so it survived 12 new years and so far the arrangements put in place did work and we never had any issues. It is clear that this year the security filed and wasn’t up to the task so that is where the problem is and was for this year. So George needs to make sure that in future a proper security is in place.
>
> Now in response to comments form Matt and Craig, I do respect them as a principle but? Guys let’s face it, whether you want or not the majority of the owners are investors and their asset is the premium that they bought into, the building with views. So that is what attracts many tenants and there is tenants rights that can’t be ignored. Give access to the roof to owners only? Please give me a break.
>
>
>
> From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Matt Perkins
> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013 4:19 PM
> To: CSCL
> Cc: ec at 200william.com
> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] MARQUIS - NEW YEARS EVE SECURITY
>
> One thing I would say about NYE and closing the roof. If we do indeed close the roof it's fair that we vote on it early and let residence know with plenty of time to make other arrangements for NYE. It's hard to find somewhere nice to go close to NYE. I think we need to start telling people in early November to be fair.
>
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> On 11/01/13 3:39 PM, CSCL wrote:
> Hello Matt,
>
> Thank you for your report on the evening. It was diabolical. Why do we, as you state, continue to put ourselves and others at risk by having goons from the outside come into our building and end up in a drug induced, alcoholic state………..on level 7?
>
> It’s simply too dangerous for the owners to risk some visiting idiot falling over the side of the building on New Year’s eve. Let us assume responsibility for each of our own balconies but why are the owners put into a potential lawsuit situation because of the idiots?
>
> I’m all for closing the level 7 area on New Year’s eve. The last thing I want is some strange body falling and having to be scrapped off my terrace in the morning…………..along with cigarette butts!!
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
> From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Matt Perkins
> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013 2:35 PM
> To: ec at 200william.com
> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] MARQUIS - NEW YEARS EVE SECURITY
>
> Agree it's a good offer from George. (Im not sure it's entirely BFMS's fault) Just seemed to be one of those things that happen. I was on the ground with security a few time's that night. Security guys were ok. But the task they have is not a simple one. There main problem this year was an apartment on the ground floor had some very young very drunk guests. These guests were so drunk they would have not have passed the RSA test at any licensed venue and would have been required to leave.
>
> My estimate is that most people on the roof were guests of tenants from the south side building. Renters. I didnt see any owners up there. Most of the trouble came not when the Fireworks were on but between the fireworks. The young drunk's from Ground floor were in and out and up and down the lifts constantly spilling drinks on there way. (that's where the stains on the new carpet came from) I booted people out of the Gym bathroom twice that I found doing drugs. The bathroom facilities are not large enough for that quantity of guests in any case. Especialy when alcohol is involved.
>
> Going forward if we were to continue the way we are going we need an intoxication criteria. Security should have licensed venue type endorsements on there security license any guest deemed intoxicated should be refused entry to the roof. If they are on the roof and judged intoxicated should be asked to leave if they do not police should be called.
>
> Alternatively we should consider not allowing any roof access for NYE. Simply program the system not to accept swipes on the night lock the doors. No need for security extra expense or perhaps leave us open to litigation should some one be injured on NYE. As most people attending were not owners anyway Im thinking perhaps that's not a big problem. Worst case we could say owners only no tenants that's going to limit it to the bare few.
>
> Another option may also be to only allow people on the roof 10 minutes before and 10 minutes after the fireworks. This would still need guards to enforce but we are talking 1 hour of roof time a lot less time for things to happen it's a measure of threat mitigation.
>
> Personalty I think we should lock up the roof on NYE and not allow access. That way we dont need to pay for security. We dont need to get sued when some drunk 17 year old smashes a beer bottle over the head of someone or any number of things that could go wrong when you mix young people and large quantities of alcohol. It also stop's people running up and down to the roof all night which takes up the lifts etc etc. It much more trouble then it's worth.
>
> Matt.
>
>
> On 11/01/13 1:28 PM, CSCL wrote:
> Thank you for the offer George to split the cost of the security charge. I think that is very fair.
>
> And yes, I agree it’s time to change the security people. As I mentioned this morning when I saw you, they did not check who was coming into the building and were not vigilant with people on level 7. We had 6 cigarette butts thrown down onto my terrace. When we asked the culprits to stop, they continued to throw butts down. Clearly, this ‘security’ team were not doing their work.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig Laforest
>
>
>
> From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of George Ziri
> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013 11:06 AM
> To: ec at 200william.com
> Subject: [200William-EC] MARQUIS - NEW YEARS EVE SECURITY
>
> Good Morning All,
>
> On New Years Eve we learnt that security did not have a guest list for the apartments. When I looked into the matter today we found that the email with the guest list and rules for the security to enforce did not go through to the security company. The file was to large.
>
> Security on the night improvised and partoled all areas randomly.
>
> Over all the night was a success without incident.
>
> This year we will bring the guest list register date early one week so that we can provide security 1 weeks notice instead of 1 day. This will iron out any issues or queries before the night.
>
> As BFMS feel responsible for this matter, we will absorb half the cost of the security invoice.
>
> I hope this is received favourably.
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