[200William-EC] 7TH FLOOR DOOR

Wed Feb 20 15:32:20 EST 2013

I agree with Shane that we must abide by the fire safety regulations which are inspected annually and no doubt we as a building pay handsomely for the advice. There is some justified concern about the question of the locked door in the lobby, I don't pretend to understand how a fire would flow, that is why we employ experts. 
To allay all our concerns and to make sure we are not doing anything to that would jeopardise peoples safety or our exposure to being negligent can I suggest George invites the fire safety contractor to the EC meeting on March 19th? Or at the very least prepare a statement explaining the set-up.

We can all hear it first hand than then make an informed decision.

Dave

On 20/02/2013, at 3:17 PM, Matt Perkins wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>  The fire escape on level 7 leads to the level 7 lift lobby. Not the roof. So someone would still need to go through the doors to the roof. So to your argument Instead of being trapped at the top of the fire escape at level 7 you would be trapped in the lift lobby on level 7. Now you could have your swipe with you but then the doors lock off at 9 and you could say you could smash the glass but those doors should be safety glass so it's going to be heard to break. If they are not safety glass then you will likely be found in a pool of your own blood at level 7 trying to get out the doors.  So should we also unlock the roof glass doors pertinently allowing 24/7 roof access because that's what your proposing here.  
> 
> That  said under the rules the roof is not an open space which you can escape from you are then trapped on the roof. We have been through this all before. Last time I rang the fire brigade and confirmed and also checked with fire inspection contractors that also confirmed. 
> 
> A vote for this in my opinion is negligent and will breach the fire safety regulations.  Please consider your next move carefully and consider getting advise before continuing. 
> 
> Matt.
> 
> 
>  On 20/02/13 2:07 PM, CSCL wrote:
>> I also vote that we unlock the level 7 escape door permanently.
>>  
>> To Matt’s point -  people can easily escape to the roof if necessary, and not be found dead at the top of the stairs of level 7 because of a locked door. 
>>  
>> From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Rob Willett
>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 1:39 PM
>> To: ec at 200william.com
>> Subject: [200William-EC] 7TH FLOOR DOOR
>>  
>> I vote we unlock it permanently
>>  
>> Thanks 
>>  
>>  
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>> On 20/02/2013, at 12:45 PM, CSCL wrote:
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>> 
>> George,
>>  
>> I provided you with the details of what happened this morning primarily because of the door situation on level 7.  This locked door could be a disaster, waiting to happen in case of an emergency evacuation of the building.  IF during a major fire people used the fire stairs to go down and they became blocked for whatever reason, there is no exit on any level.  Level 7 door must be kept unlocked in order that people can escape onto the roof.
>>  
>> Would the EC please vote on this matter as soon as possible.
>>  
>> George, the contractor is a very pleasant guy and was very efficient.  Please continue to use this company in the future.  Again, my concern had to do with the level 7 door.
>>  
>> Thank you very much.
>> Craig Laforest
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: George Ziri [mailto:Georgeziri at bfms.com.au] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:45 AM
>> To: CSCL
>> Cc: ec at 200william.com
>> Subject: RE: [200William-EC] INSURANCE COMPANY VISIT
>>  
>> Good Morning Craig,
>>  
>> Thank you for providing access for the insurance contractor.
>>  
>> I was not able to meet the contractor at 9am as i was on site at 7am. Please see attached the email sent to the contractor who failed to reply to me.
>>  
>> I spoke with the contractor at 9am and explained to him (as I do to every contractor) that the building keys can be collected from the AVIS office. And that he contacted me with any queries. He seems to have forgotten our conversation as he is telling you otherwise. I will remember not to use this contractor again.
>>  
>> Would you be kind to refer the level 7 door to the committee for approval.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> ________________________________________________________ 
>> George Ziri | Operations
>>  
>> Building Facilities Management Solutions Pty Ltd
>> 
>> Direct: 0400 300 242 | Facsimile: 9547 3132 | PO BOX A2319 SYDNEY SOUTH NSW 1235
>>  
>> visit us www.bfms.com.au
>>  
>> From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of CSCL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 11:01 AM
>> To: George Ziri
>> Cc: ec at 200william.com
>> Subject: [200William-EC] INSURANCE COMPANY VISIT
>>  
>> Hello George,
>>  
>> The insurance company visited this morning and I had to let them in as they were expecting you or one of your team to be here.
>>  
>> I unlocked the gym door for them, but couldn’t leave them alone because they didn’t have a key to get out of level 7 to the elevators, once they had completed their work.   This door is permanently locked.
>>  
>> I have raised the problem of the locked door on level 7 before.  IF there is a fire emergency and people try to escape to the roof, they would not able to get out of the fire escape stairs because the door is always locked on level 7.   Would you please organize to have the lock on level 7 taken off and a simple handle installed.
>>  
>> Also, the insurance company confirmed that the fire door on level 6 (damaged during the water plant problem) will be replaced.
>>  
>> Thank you.
>> Craig Laforest
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