<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi all<div><br></div><div>I’m available for a Zoom call on Friday between 12-2pm or can meet in lobby to discuss this tonight after work or Thursday night this week ?</div><div><br></div><div>It sounds like it makes sense to have one engineer give us recommendations however would be good to understand more so I can make an informed judgement.</div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Warm Regards,<div>Kylie</div><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 5 Sep 2023, at 11:51 am, matt@perkins.id.au wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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I think Paul makes a valid point in that the engineer that we have engaged to look at the building could also consider the cladding as part of that. The report includes the lab data so one engineer should be able to consider that just as well as the other. In engineering reports there are always recommendations and requirements. I have made recommendations in engineering reports that an electrician change a light bulb but i dont really expect them to do it. But it covers me insurance wise and helps to puff out the report. </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Again, happy to have an EC meeting.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There would not be a situation where we would be “setting two experts on a conflicting course”. Noviion also provide structural engineering reports, so I don’t understand your point, Paul.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A zoom meeting……..would everyone like to give me some times/dates when you are available and I’ll set one up?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 5, 2023 10:57 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also disagree with this move considering that we have already agreed to engage a structural engineer to inspect the overall building. It would seem to be setting two experts on a conflicting course.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also agree with Matt that an EC meeting is appropriate, it should not be led by one person, seems the whole point of having a collective committee.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think one step at a time and get it right.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m happy to have an EC meeting. I’m interested as to why you don’t accept the expert’s (the Engineer) and the report’s recommendation?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Okay………..let’s organize an EC asap everyone.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US">From:</span></b> <span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:matt@perkins.id.au">matt@perkins.id.au</a> <<a href="mailto:matt@perkins.id.au">matt@perkins.id.au</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 5, 2023 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ec@200william.com">ec@200william.com</a>; <a href="mailto:cscl@optusnet.com.au">cscl@optusnet.com.au</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.</span></p>
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I do not agree. I think we should have a EC meeting to discuss the matter. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 Sep 2023 at 10:16 AM +1000, <a href="mailto:cscl@optusnet.com.au">cscl@optusnet.com.au</a>, wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As some of you may be aware, ZENITH Residences, above the Coca Cola sign, are presently having cladding removed from their building because they do not meet the <30% legal requirement.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We have a report, dated July 13, 2021, from Noviion Engineering, based on a core sample which was taken from our building. I wanted to ensure that we do in fact meet the requirements, so I read the report and became very concerned. There is alarming information, under “Recommendation”. Please see emails below.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I spoke to George Dahrie, the Principal Engineer from Noviion, this morning and he stated he has been waiting to hear from us, since the initial recommendations were made in their report to us. Presently, even though we are <30%, from the core sample they took from our building, we still do not meet the legal requirements. Noviion need to verify the type and brand of cladding, which we presently don’t know. A whole panel must be removed to find the cladding brand name. Once we know the maker’s name, Noviion will assess the panel (name) and provide us with engineering advice.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Darren, would you please find a suitable contractor to take out a whole panel please and have the maker’s name given to me. I will then contact George Dahrie and provide him with the panel maker’s name.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Unless anyone has any questions, I’m sure you’ll agree, it is essential that we follow through with this matter asap.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 5, 2023 9:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cscl@optusnet.com.au">cscl@optusnet.com.au</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Craig,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you for the email.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Regarding the report, to be compliant the ACP needs to both have testing data and <30% PE.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">At the time of assessment, no information could be located to verify the type and brand of cladding.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As such, our recommendation is to replace the cladding to meet current Australian Standards.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If a panel is removed and we are provided the brand, we can research the testing data and advise on its compliance.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The cost of the assessment and engineering advice will be $2,540+GST.</p>
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<b>To:</b> Noviion Client Services <<a href="mailto:admin@noviion.com.au">admin@noviion.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u>Client: SP 67851, Client Address 200 William Street, Woolloomooloo - Job # 21288</u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you for your time today.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As I mentioned, I have reviewed the above job # 21288 report, and would like to further investigate two points:</p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">The report states on page 8: “<b>Recommendation</b> - Based on the laboratory results provided, it is interpolated that approximately 29% of the core material is low density polyethylene. Polyethylene cores typically are not fire-rated and the panels themselves would therefore not conform with current Australian Standards. Under section 9(1) of the Building Products (Safety) Act 2017, the act prohibits the use of aluminium composite panels (ACP) with a core comprised of greater than 30% polyethylene (PE) by mass in any external cladding and wall. That act states the installation of non-compliant cladding in accordance with the act is retrospective and as such requires to be adequately remediated. The laboratory results have identified the Aluminium Composite Panels to have a polyethylene core slightly less than 30% by mass. However, based on the high combustibility and unknown manufacturer of the installed product, it is recommended that all ACP cladding to the façade be replaced with a suitable non-combustible material. This assessment has only considered the likelihood of Aluminium Composite Panels (ACP) panelling being installed on the building façade.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You agreed with me that there is slight ambiguity in the recommendations. Would you please confirm if your company is recommending that we should remove all cladding on our building, despite the ACP having a less than 30% mass. The report does state, <u>because there is unknown material in the ACP</u>, it is Noviion’s recommendation “that all ACP cladding to the façade be replaced with non-combustible material.”</p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Are we required under present regulations (2023) to remove all our cladding, because the percentages of the ACP, with a core (may) have been reduced i.e. lower than 30% mass?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you, Rick. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best regards,<br>
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