[200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
cscl at optusnet.com.au
cscl at optusnet.com.au
Thu Sep 14 17:32:11 AEST 2023
We’ll agree to disagree.
Cheers.
From: Paul Mooney <paulmooney at manxpm.com.au>
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Subject: Re: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
No Sir, I’m not missing the point but my view is wait for the conclusion of the report to see the extent of the problem.
No more to and fro on this , OK, same issue, different approach.
Regards
P
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On 14 Sep 2023, at 7:47 am, cscl at optusnet.com.au <mailto:cscl at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Paul,
You are missing the point.
Yes, Sarah is going to organise an engineer, who will give us a report.
I recognize what the damage is on our building - I have had other properties where concrete cancer occurred. People aren’t stupid Paul when they look up and see the cancer on our building. It’s about telling the truth, in the meantime, and I won’t wait for an engineer’s report to say what it is, if an enquiry is made of me, by someone. That is definitive.
Typically, when there is a leaking membrane, and we’ve had them on each side of level 7, there is a significant chance the concrete underneath will be affected. The water travels inside the building, as we have seen. Cracking and crumbling concrete, and rust stains emerging from the concrete/cement render are common sights in our building.
Regards,
Craig
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Subject: Re: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
No offence meant Craig and am not suggesting dishonesty, but please wait for our engineers report because, whilst you/we might suspect the big C, we don’t definitively know. We are engaging an engineer for a reason, to see what we do and don’t have and to assess the extent of any problems.
All the best
P
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On 14 Sep 2023, at 2:34 am, cscl at optusnet.com.au <mailto:cscl at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Paul,
I don’t agree with your comments. I’m not speculating - we have concrete cancer and it’s everywhere (see attached pictures). I’m not an engineer, however, I have seen enough concrete cancer to know what it is.
I am not going to hide the fact if I meet anyone and they ask me if there are any problems with the building, that I say everything is great. I have been very transparent with anyone who enquired about the building that we’ve had water damage in the building. We still do in certain areas.
We have numerous units for sale, however there are many reasons they may not be selling. The market is not great at present because of interest rates being increased, their prices may be too high, concrete cancer is evident etc. You state “we need to be cautious”. I’m not going to be dishonest about this matter.
Regards,
Craig
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Subject: Re: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
Craig,
With all due respect we don’t know what we have at this point and I think it unwise to speculate that the corrosion is, in fact, concrete cancer. It’s not the wisest move to use this terminology until we get an engineers report. I’m pretty sure you will agree.
We have numerous units for sale at the moment and they are not moving, we need to be cautious.
Best wishes
P
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On 13 Sep 2023, at 11:23 pm, cscl at optusnet.com.au <mailto:cscl at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Thanks Paul,
This is good news, because as you’ve mentioned, you haven’t seen any concrete cancer near/around your apartment. I have it around my apartments 601 and 403. The sooner the Commercial AGM takes place, the better, and then Sarah can engage the engineers.
Regards,
Craig
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Subject: Re: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
FYI I’m happy to follow Sarahs lead to engage the engineers once the Commercial AGM has taken place.
I don’t want my absence to hold up the inspection.
Regards
Paul
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On 5 Sep 2023, at 10:27 am, matt at perkins.id.au <mailto:matt at perkins.id.au> wrote:
I dont think there is much point having a meeting unless we can all attend. Im happy to wait for Paul to be in attendance.
Matt
On 5 Sep 2023 at 7:14 PM +1000, cscl at optusnet.com.au <mailto:cscl at optusnet.com.au> , wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am available also at 12 noon on Friday 18th for a zoom. Please confirm if you can make that time. Paul is overseas so he may not be able to attend.
Cheers,
Craig
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Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 5:09 PM
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Subject: RE: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
Hi I can do Zoom this Friday 8th 12 noon . Cheers John
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Subject: Re: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
To my understanding we haven’t engaged an engineer to look at the concrete rust on our building, at this point. Noviion are already familiar with our building so why not involve them?
I don’t believe Matt that engineers generally state something just to ‘help puff out a report.’ I have never come across that in the many properties I’ve owned. I have always followed their recommendations.
We’ll wait on Matt G, John and Paul to see if there is a time we can all zoom.
Thanks Kylie, but I don’t think this afternoon will work. Will be in touch.
Cheers
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Subject: RE: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
Im not in Sydney from the 23rd if you want to have a face to face meeting. I can usually move things around for a zoom.
I think Paul makes a valid point in that the engineer that we have engaged to look at the building could also consider the cladding as part of that. The report includes the lab data so one engineer should be able to consider that just as well as the other. In engineering reports there are always recommendations and requirements. I have made recommendations in engineering reports that an electrician change a light bulb but i dont really expect them to do it. But it covers me insurance wise and helps to puff out the report.
Matt
On 5 Sep 2023 at 11:09 AM +1000, cscl at optusnet.com.au <mailto:cscl at optusnet.com.au> , wrote:
Again, happy to have an EC meeting.
There would not be a situation where we would be “setting two experts on a conflicting course”. Noviion also provide structural engineering reports, so I don’t understand your point, Paul.
A zoom meeting……..would everyone like to give me some times/dates when you are available and I’ll set one up?
Cheers.
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Subject: Re: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
Dear EC etc,
I also disagree with this move considering that we have already agreed to engage a structural engineer to inspect the overall building. It would seem to be setting two experts on a conflicting course.
Let’s get the engineers report and then plan accordingly.
I also agree with Matt that an EC meeting is appropriate, it should not be led by one person, seems the whole point of having a collective committee.
I think one step at a time and get it right.
Regards
Paul
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On 5 Sep 2023, at 7:44 am, cscl at optusnet.com.au <mailto:cscl at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi Matt,
I’m happy to have an EC meeting. I’m interested as to why you don’t accept the expert’s (the Engineer) and the report’s recommendation?
Okay………..let’s organize an EC asap everyone.
Cheers,
Craig
From: matt at perkins.id.au <mailto:matt at perkins.id.au> <matt at perkins.id.au <mailto:matt at perkins.id.au> >
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Subject: Re: [200WILLIAM-EC SP67851] FW: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
No Craig,
I do not agree. I think we should have a EC meeting to discuss the matter.
Matt
On 5 Sep 2023 at 10:16 AM +1000, cscl at optusnet.com.au <mailto:cscl at optusnet.com.au> , wrote:
Good morning,
As some of you may be aware, ZENITH Residences, above the Coca Cola sign, are presently having cladding removed from their building because they do not meet the <30% legal requirement.
We have a report, dated July 13, 2021, from Noviion Engineering, based on a core sample which was taken from our building. I wanted to ensure that we do in fact meet the requirements, so I read the report and became very concerned. There is alarming information, under “Recommendation”. Please see emails below.
I spoke to George Dahrie, the Principal Engineer from Noviion, this morning and he stated he has been waiting to hear from us, since the initial recommendations were made in their report to us. Presently, even though we are <30%, from the core sample they took from our building, we still do not meet the legal requirements. Noviion need to verify the type and brand of cladding, which we presently don’t know. A whole panel must be removed to find the cladding brand name. Once we know the maker’s name, Noviion will assess the panel (name) and provide us with engineering advice.
Darren, would you please find a suitable contractor to take out a whole panel please and have the maker’s name given to me. I will then contact George Dahrie and provide him with the panel maker’s name.
Unless anyone has any questions, I’m sure you’ll agree, it is essential that we follow through with this matter asap.
Regards,
Craig
From: George Dahrie <george.dahrie at noviion.com.au <mailto:george.dahrie at noviion.com.au> >
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 9:22 AM
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Subject: RE: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
Hi Craig,
Thank you for the email.
Regarding the report, to be compliant the ACP needs to both have testing data and <30% PE.
At the time of assessment, no information could be located to verify the type and brand of cladding.
As such, our recommendation is to replace the cladding to meet current Australian Standards.
If a panel is removed and we are provided the brand, we can research the testing data and advise on its compliance.
The cost of the assessment and engineering advice will be $2,540+GST.
If you wish to proceed or require additional information, please do not hesitate to ask.
Kind Regards,
George Dahrie
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 2:03 PM
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Subject: ATTENTION RICK - RE: MARQUIS APARTMENTS, 200 WILLIAM STREET, WOOLLOOMOOLOO N.S.W.
Dear Rick,
Client: SP 67851, Client Address 200 William Street, Woolloomooloo - Job # 21288
Thank you for your time today.
As I mentioned, I have reviewed the above job # 21288 report, and would like to further investigate two points:
The report states on page 8: “Recommendation - Based on the laboratory results provided, it is interpolated that approximately 29% of the core material is low density polyethylene. Polyethylene cores typically are not fire-rated and the panels themselves would therefore not conform with current Australian Standards. Under section 9(1) of the Building Products (Safety) Act 2017, the act prohibits the use of aluminium composite panels (ACP) with a core comprised of greater than 30% polyethylene (PE) by mass in any external cladding and wall. That act states the installation of non-compliant cladding in accordance with the act is retrospective and as such requires to be adequately remediated. The laboratory results have identified the Aluminium Composite Panels to have a polyethylene core slightly less than 30% by mass. However, based on the high combustibility and unknown manufacturer of the installed product, it is recommended that all ACP cladding to the façade be replaced with a suitable non-combustible material. This assessment has only considered the likelihood of Aluminium Composite Panels (ACP) panelling being installed on the building façade.
You agreed with me that there is slight ambiguity in the recommendations. Would you please confirm if your company is recommending that we should remove all cladding on our building, despite the ACP having a less than 30% mass. The report does state, because there is unknown material in the ACP, it is Noviion’s recommendation “that all ACP cladding to the façade be replaced with non-combustible material.”
Are we required under present regulations (2023) to remove all our cladding, because the percentages of the ACP, with a core (may) have been reduced i.e. lower than 30% mass?
Thank you, Rick. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible.
Best regards,
Craig Laforest
Chairman – Body Corporate
Marquis Apartments
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