[200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
Brook Beves
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Tue Mar 8 19:25:17 AEDT 2016
I agree
Brook
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Of Barney Kitay
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Subject: Re: [200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for
Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN
67851
Agreed.
Thanks guys
Kind regards
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From: Patrick Rush <prush at stratatitle.com.au>
Date: 08/03/2016 18:34 (GMT+10:00)
To: ec at 200william.com
Subject: Re: [200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for
Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN
67851
Dear Committee,
Can you please advise if you agree with Matt and my comments so that I can
proceed and advise the Owner of Unit 6021 the plan of action by the Owners
Corporation?
Kind regards,
Patrick Rush
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From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for
Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN
67851
Thanks Patrick,
I agree with your bellow comments. Can you also please keep the owner of
601 informed as to the direction of further testing to identify the water
ingress.
I really think any further works that would not have been necessary had the
ingress been diagnosed correctly by the engineer be covered by the
engineer's PI insurance.
Matt.
On 8/03/2016 9:56 AM, Patrick Rush wrote:
Dear Committee,
Please see attached invoices which I believe relate directly the inspections
and repairs carried out to Unit 601's balcony and the effervescence that was
part of the Fair trading NSW Tribunal Orders for the owners Corporation to
repair.
If I am correct and all of the attached invoices including work carried out
by Dribuild Concepts Pty Ltd, Robertson's Painting & Decorating and Strata
Engineering Solutions come to a total of $ 24,838.00 including GST.
As I believe most of these costs would not have been incurred if Strata
Engineering Solutions had originally diagnosed the issue being possibly the
planter box above requesting approval to carry out the Electric Field Vector
Mapping (EFVM) water testing to ascertain the exact location of the water
ingress to Unit 601's balcony then the Owners Corporation should I believe
request for this testing to be carried out an no charge by Strata
Engineering Solutions.
If in fact the water ingress is found due to this test then other expenses
that have been incurred can be actioned latter but at this stage the most
important issue is to resolve and rectify the water ingress issue Unit 601
has on their balcony.
Please advise if agree and as the EFVM cost $2,178.00 including GST, I can
request this be carried out at no cost due to the previous error in the
reporting by Strata Engineering Solutions.
William, can you advise if you have had a response from Lee as to if this
test will conclusively identify the source of the water ingress to Unit
601's balcony? Please also advise if you have any other input and can
confirm all the attached invoices are for work on Unit 601's balcony based
on the original report from Strata Engineering Solutions?
Kind regards,
Patrick Rush
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Subject: Re: [200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for
Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN
67851
It's my understanding that the common area's that are being referred to is
the balcony and water dripping from the balcony edge above onto the balcony
used by 601 and Mr Laforests Furniture. Im sure George could confirm if he
is still available.
Matt.
On 2/03/2016 4:26 PM, Patrick Rush wrote:
Dear Committee,
Before I go any further and answer Matt's queries, can you please confirm
that the above is the order in which the Owners Corporation are attempting
to comply with?
As, if this is correct, can you confirm that the only items that are being
repaired are the water ingress issues into the kitchen area of unit 601 and
the common areas, whatever these may be?
I am not sure why references to the balcony and discolouration are being
made and why such maintenance needs to be undertaken if the above order is
what is being actioned.
Please advise?
Kind regards,
Patrick Rush
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Of Matt Perkins
Sent: Friday, 26 February 2016 2:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for
Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN
67851
Hi Patrick,
It appears from Lee's report that the original advise to paint the surface
was incorrect as the source of water was not correctly identified. As a
result we will need to not only correctly identify the source of the water
but repaint the surface once the true source has been found. I note that the
report sites the building manager's report that guided the engineer. I find
this a little puzzling as is it not the engineers roll to test the building
manages assumptions.
We have a number of issues here.
Firstly. There is no money in the budget to investigate this problem further
even though we have been ordered by the tribunal to do so.
Secondly. Is there any recourse through PI to recoup any of the money spent
due to the incorrect advice.
Finally. Is there a mechanism where we can ask the tribunal to re-consider,
or extend the time frame which we have to comply given the budget
constraints.
Other then one of the options above I see no other option less then to call
a EGM to vote on a Special Levy to fix the water leaks for Apartment 601
once true estimates have been gathered.
Furthermore what would prevent every apartment in the building requesting
this type of water staining be eliminated from their balcony. Every balcony
I have been on in the building including my own has this staining. I know in
my case it's from the above apartment's aluminum railing which is full of
water slowly dripping through. Fixing these issues for the entire building
could add up to many hundreds of thousands of dollars where the problem is
only cosmetic and it is to appease one person.
We are looking to guidance from STM here. So far professional advice has
only resulted in more and more money spent with zero gain to the strata and
more frustration to the owner of 601.
In the mean time i suggest we go ahead with the testing as advised.
Matt.
On 26/02/2016 2:13 PM, Lee Carroll wrote:
CO12765.00
Hi Patrick/William,
Please find attached our report subsequent to the site inspection on the
19th February.
Should you have any queries please don't hesitate to contact me.
Best Regards,
Lee Carroll
Senior Engineer (Remedial/Forensic)
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From: Patrick Rush [mailto:prush at stratatitle.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016 5:18 PM
To: 'Info BFMS'; Lee Carroll
Cc: George Ziri; 'ec at 200william.com'
Subject: RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water Penetration in Unit
601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
Hi William,
Craig, the Owner of unit 601 has contacted me and advised that he has
returned from overseas and is happy to be contacted to organise the
inspection as requested by the Committee.
Can you please organise and I will advsie Craig you will be in touch to
organise?
Kind regards,
Patrick Rush
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Sent: Friday, 12 February 2016 9:17 AM
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Subject: RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water Penetration in Unit
601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
Hi Lee
FYI
The lot owner Craig is currently away and returning next week.
For any further queries, please contact our office.
Kind regards,
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Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2016 3:39 PM
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Subject: RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water Penetration in Unit
601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
Importance: High
Hi Lee,
It has been requested by the Committee that you carry out a further
inspection of unit 601 in relation to the below further complaints and
attached images.
Can you please organise this inspection with the Building Manager and Craig,
the Owner of unit 601 and advsie when you will be completing the inspection
once organised.
Please provide a detailed report based on your inspection?
Kind regards,
Patrick Rush
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Subject: RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water Penetration in Unit
601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
Importance: High
Dear Committee,
Please see the below email from Craig, the Owner of Unit 601 in relation to
the NCAT (Tribunal) Orders for repairs to the areas causing water ingress to
the balcony area and other associated maintenance items.
Please see below answers in red from Craig in relation to Lee from Cost In
Roe's response to attending site to inspect.
Craig is obviously upset with the progress and feels the matter and repairs
undertaken late in 2015 have made the issue worse and require urgent
attention.
Craig's has asked me to seek some direction from you about this matter and
would like for you to advise the Building Manager, myself and the Engineers
to attend to the matter urgently to have further repairs undertaken to stop
further water leaking.
Please advise on the above urgently?
Kind regards,
Patrick Rush
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From: Lee Carroll [mailto:lee.carroll at costinroe.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 5:03 PM
To: Info BFMS
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Subject: 12765.00 160121 RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water
Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
Hi William,
I have attached some photographs taken on the 22nd December 2015 on my last
site visit.
Whilst the bubbling is worse in your photographs, it is not dramatically so.
The area of bubbling and water dropping onto my terrace is 3 times more than
prior to the works being carried out recently by the contractor. In
addition, the water has a dirt/rust colour which is staining everywhere
below the overhang. The water is dropping through at a considerable rate
24/7 regardless of whether there is any rain. This has been the same
problem for the last 8 years.
I would suggest we wait a bit longer before getting the painter back to
patch the effected areas.
The area doesn't need patching - we need to expose where the water is coming
from/through ie its source.
The bubbling and efflorescence appears to be mostly confined the slab edge
which is in keeping with my theory.
The rust staining on the paint bubbles is concerning as it indicates
corrosion of reinforcement in the concrete.
Again, why would we patch if rust staining is coming through?! Patching
cannot be completed quickly enough from the amount of water which is forcing
its way through. As is currently happening patching only sends the water in
a different direction within the wall frame and subsequently water drops
through from a new area.
As discussed we had a job in Mosman awhile back with a similar issue. The
planter box has seven layers of membrane installed and yet the water
persisted. It turned out to be coming under the planter box from the terrace
area. There may be a similar issue here, although in my opinion there would
should also be water penetration visible on the soffit of the slab as the
slab edge if this was the case.
It should be noted that this is not water penetration into Unit 601. It is
merely
(merely??) water dripping off the slab edge over the balcony, which would be
expected anyway, at least when it rains. Again, the water drips constantly
24/7 even when there is NO rain. The issue is the efflorescence and rust
staining on the tiles and furniture.
I have confirmed in previous email correspondence to the Strata Manager that
I will take the Body Corporate once taken to Tribunal. Unless I receive
confirmation by February 16 that another way of handling this matter is to
take place, I will follow through with the Tribunal.
I have been advised by the representatives of the Tribunal that severe
penalties will be charged to the owners if the original order by the
Tribunal is not once and for all carried out.
Craig Laforest
Best Regards,
Lee Carroll
Senior Engineer (Remedial/Forensic)
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To: Lee Carroll
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Subject: RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water Penetration in Unit
601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
Hi Lee
As discussed, please see attached photos of the water penetration in
apartment 601 for your reference.
Please advise.
For any further queries, please contact our office.
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