[200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
Matt Perkins
matt at spectrum.com.au
Tue Mar 8 17:32:03 AEDT 2016
Thanks Patrick,
I agree with your bellow comments. Can you also please keep the owner
of 601 informed as to the direction of further testing to identify the
water ingress.
I really think any further works that would not have been necessary had
the ingress been diagnosed correctly by the engineer be covered by the
engineer's PI insurance.
Matt.
On 8/03/2016 9:56 AM, Patrick Rush wrote:
>
> Dear Committee,
>
> Please see attached invoices which I believe relate directly the
> inspections and repairs carried out to Unit 601’s balcony and the
> effervescence that was part of the Fair trading NSW Tribunal Orders
> for the owners Corporation to repair.
>
> If I am correct and all of the attached invoices including work
> carried out by Dribuild Concepts Pty Ltd, Robertson’s Painting &
> Decorating and Strata Engineering Solutions come to a total of $
> 24,838.00 including GST.
>
>
> As I believe most of these costs would not have been incurred if
> Strata Engineering Solutions had originally diagnosed the issue being
> possibly the planter box above requesting approval to carry out the
> Electric Field Vector Mapping (EFVM) water testing to ascertain the
> exact location of the water ingress to Unit 601’s balcony then the
> Owners Corporation should I believe request for this testing to be
> carried out an no charge by Strata Engineering Solutions.
>
> If in fact the water ingress is found due to this test then other
> expenses that have been incurred can be actioned latter but at this
> stage the most important issue is to resolve and rectify the water
> ingress issue Unit 601 has on their balcony.
>
>
> Please advise if agree and as the EFVM cost $2,178.00 including GST, I
> can request this be carried out at no cost due to the previous error
> in the reporting by Strata Engineering Solutions.
>
> William, can you advise if you have had a response from Lee as to if
> this test will conclusively identify the source of the water ingress
> to Unit 601’s balcony? Please also advise if you have any other input
> and can confirm all the attached invoices are for work on Unit 601’s
> balcony based on the original report from Strata Engineering Solutions?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> *Patrick Rush*
>
> Strata Manager
>
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> *From:*ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Matt Perkins
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 March 2016 4:59 PM
> *To:* ec at 200william.com
> *Subject:* Re: [200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal
> Order for Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY
> CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
>
> It's my understanding that the common area's that are being referred
> to is the balcony and water dripping from the balcony edge above onto
> the balcony used by 601 and Mr Laforests Furniture. Im sure George
> could confirm if he is still available.
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
>
> On 2/03/2016 4:26 PM, Patrick Rush wrote:
>
> Dear Committee,
>
> Before I go any further and answer Matt’s queries, can you please
> confirm that the above is the order in which the Owners
> Corporation are attempting to comply with?
>
> As, if this is correct, can you confirm that the only items that
> are being repaired are the water ingress issues into the kitchen
> area of unit 601 and the common areas, whatever these may be?
>
>
> I am not sure why references to the balcony and discolouration are
> being made and why such maintenance needs to be undertaken if the
> above order is what is being actioned.
>
>
> Please advise?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> *Patrick Rush*
>
> Strata Manager
>
> Phone:(02) 9266 2600 | Email:prush at stratatitle.com.au
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> *From:*ec-bounces at 200william.com
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> [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Perkins
> *Sent:* Friday, 26 February 2016 2:48 PM
> *To:* ec at 200william.com <mailto:ec at 200william.com>;
> lee.carroll at costinroe.com.au <mailto:lee.carroll at costinroe.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [200William-EC SP67851] SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal
> Order for Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY
> CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
>
> Hi Patrick,
> It appears from Lee's report that the original advise to paint
> the surface was incorrect as the source of water was not correctly
> identified. As a result we will need to not only correctly
> identify the source of the water but repaint the surface once the
> true source has been found. I note that the report sites the
> building manager's report that guided the engineer. I find this a
> little puzzling as is it not the engineers roll to test the
> building manages assumptions.
>
> We have a number of issues here.
>
> Firstly. There is no money in the budget to investigate this
> problem further even though we have been ordered by the tribunal
> to do so.
> Secondly. Is there any recourse through PI to recoup any of the
> money spent due to the incorrect advice.
> Finally. Is there a mechanism where we can ask the tribunal to
> re-consider, or extend the time frame which we have to comply
> given the budget constraints.
>
> Other then one of the options above I see no other option less
> then to call a EGM to vote on a Special Levy to fix the water
> leaks for Apartment 601 once true estimates have been gathered.
>
> Furthermore what would prevent every apartment in the building
> requesting this type of water staining be eliminated from their
> balcony. Every balcony I have been on in the building including
> my own has this staining. I know in my case it's from the above
> apartment's aluminum railing which is full of water slowly
> dripping through. Fixing these issues for the entire building
> could add up to many hundreds of thousands of dollars where the
> problem is only cosmetic and it is to appease one person.
>
> We are looking to guidance from STM here. So far professional
> advice has only resulted in more and more money spent with zero
> gain to the strata and more frustration to the owner of 601.
>
> In the mean time i suggest we go ahead with the testing as advised.
> Matt.
>
>
>
> On 26/02/2016 2:13 PM, Lee Carroll wrote:
>
> *CO12765.00*
>
> Hi Patrick/William,
>
> Please find attached our report subsequent to the site
> inspection on the 19^th February.
>
> Should you have any queries please don’t hesitate to contact me.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> *Lee Carroll
> **Senior Engineer (Remedial/Forensic)*
>
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> *From:*Patrick Rush [mailto:prush at stratatitle.com.au]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 16 February 2016 5:18 PM
> *To:* 'Info BFMS'; Lee Carroll
> *Cc:* George Ziri; 'ec at 200william.com <mailto:ec at 200william.com>'
> *Subject:* RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water
> Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE
> STRATA PLAN 67851
>
> Hi William,
>
>
> Craig, the Owner of unit 601 has contacted me and advised that
> he has returned from overseas and is happy to be contacted to
> organise the inspection as requested by the Committee.
>
> Can you please organise and I will advsie Craig you will be in
> touch to organise?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> *Patrick Rush*
>
> Strata Manager
>
> Phone:(02) 9266 2600 | Email:prush at stratatitle.com.au
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> *From:*Info BFMS [mailto:info at bfms.com.au]
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> *Sent:* Friday, 12 February 2016 9:17 AM
> *To:* Patrick Rush; 'lee.carroll at costinroe.com.au
> <mailto:lee.carroll at costinroe.com.au>'
> *Cc:* George Ziri; 'ec at 200william.com <mailto:ec at 200william.com>'
> *Subject:* RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water
> Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE
> STRATA PLAN 67851
>
> Hi Lee
>
> FYI
>
> The lot owner Craig is currently away and returning next week.
>
> For any further queries, please contact our office.
>
> Kind regards,
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> *From:*Patrick Rush [mailto:prush at stratatitle.com.au]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 11 February 2016 3:39 PM
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> *Subject:* RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water
> Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE
> STRATA PLAN 67851
> *Importance:* High
>
> Hi Lee,
>
> It has been requested by the Committee that you carry out a
> further inspection of unit 601 in relation to the below
> further complaints and attached images.
>
>
> Can you please organise this inspection with the Building
> Manager and Craig, the Owner of unit 601 and advsie when you
> will be completing the inspection once organised.
>
>
> Please provide a detailed report based on your inspection?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> *Patrick Rush*
>
> Strata Manager
>
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> *From:*Patrick Rush
> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 January 2016 1:43 PM
> *To:* ec at 200william.com <mailto:ec at 200william.com>
> *Cc:* George Ziri; Info BFMS
> *Subject:* RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water
> Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE
> STRATA PLAN 67851
> *Importance:* High
>
> Dear Committee,
>
> Please see the below email from Craig, the Owner of Unit 601
> in relation to the NCAT (Tribunal) Orders for repairs to the
> areas causing water ingress to the balcony area and other
> associated maintenance items.
>
> Please see below answers in red from Craig in relation to Lee
> from Cost In Roe’s response to attending site to inspect.
>
>
> Craig is obviously upset with the progress and feels the
> matter and repairs undertaken late in 2015 have made the issue
> worse and require urgent attention.
>
>
> Craig’s has asked me to seek some direction from you about
> this matter and would like for you to advise the Building
> Manager, myself and the Engineers to attend to the matter
> urgently to have further repairs undertaken to stop further
> water leaking.
>
> Please advise on the above urgently?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> *Patrick Rush*
>
> Strata Manager
>
> Phone:(02) 9266 2600 | Email:prush at stratatitle.com.au
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> *From:*Lee Carroll [mailto:lee.carroll at costinroe.com.au]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 21 January 2016 5:03 PM
> *To:* Info BFMS
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> *Subject:* 12765.00 160121 RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal
> Order for Water Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS
> BODY CORPORATE STRATA PLAN 67851
>
> Hi William,
>
> I have attached some photographs taken on the 22^nd December
> 2015 on my last site visit.
>
> Whilst the bubbling is worse in your photographs, it is not
> dramatically so.
>
> The area of bubbling and water dropping onto my terrace is 3
> times more than prior to the works being carried out recently
> by the contractor. In addition, the water has a dirt/rust
> colour which is staining everywhere below the overhang. The
> water is dropping through at a considerable rate 24/7
> regardless of whether there is any rain. This has been the
> same problem for the last 8 years.
>
> I would suggest we wait a bit longer before getting the
> painter back to patch the effected areas.
>
> The area doesn’t need patching – we need to expose where the
> water is coming from/through ie its source.
>
> The bubbling and efflorescence appears to be mostly confined
> the slab edge which is in keeping with my theory.
>
> The rust staining on the paint bubbles is concerning as it
> indicates corrosion of reinforcement in the concrete.
>
> Again, why would we patch if rust staining is coming through?!
> Patching cannot be completed quickly enough from the amount of
> water which is forcing its way through. As is currently
> happening patching only sends the water in a different
> direction within the wall frame and subsequently water drops
> through from a new area.
>
> As discussed we had a job in Mosman awhile back with a similar
> issue. The planter box has seven layers of membrane installed
> and yet the water persisted. It turned out to be coming under
> the planter box from the terrace area. There may be a similar
> issue here, although in my opinion there would should also be
> water penetration visible on the soffit of the slab as the
> slab edge if this was the case.
>
> It should be noted that this is not water penetration into
> Unit 601. It is merely
>
> (merely??) water dripping off the slab edge over the balcony,
> which would be expected anyway, at least when it rains. Again,
> the water drips constantly 24/7 even when there is NO rain.
> The issue is the efflorescence and rust staining on the tiles
> and furniture.
>
> I have confirmed in previous email correspondence to the
> Strata Manager that I will take the Body Corporate once taken
> to Tribunal. Unless I receive confirmation by February 16
> that another way of handling this matter is to take place, I
> will follow through with the Tribunal.
>
> I have been advised by the representatives of the Tribunal
> that severe penalties will be charged to the owners if the
> original order by the Tribunal is not once and for all carried
> out.
>
> Craig Laforest
>
> Best Regards,
>
> *Lee Carroll
> **Senior Engineer (Remedial/Forensic)*
>
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> *From:*Info BFMS [mailto:info at bfms.com.au]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 21 January 2016 2:49 PM
> *To:* Lee Carroll
> *Cc:* George Ziri; ec at 200william.com
> <mailto:ec at 200william.com>; 'Patrick Rush'
> *Subject:* RE: SP 67851 - URGENT Tribunal Order for Water
> Penetration in Unit 601 - CRAIG LAFOREST VS BODY CORPORATE
> STRATA PLAN 67851
>
> Hi Lee
>
> As discussed, please see attached photos of the water
> penetration in apartment 601 for your reference.
>
> Please advise.
>
> For any further queries, please contact our office.
>
> Kind regards,
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