[200William-EC] Car Park
Diana Dennison
didee.cd at gmail.com
Wed Nov 27 16:06:41 EST 2013
Hi All,
I can't believe you are all so short-sighted as to think we can do away
with visitors parking. Even the most unprepossessing little blocks built
after parking got scarce, offer this. I just hope it is a council
requirement. I think if you check with IKON, and other blocks you would
find they all have their share of VP! In the IKON's case, it's probably
controlled by the concierge.
Rob, I will send you the pics again!
Di
On 27 November 2013 15:54, Diana Dennison <didee.cd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> I want to emphasise that in a building of this quality, in an area where
> parking is not easy, it is important to provide visitors' parking. Not
> having any would certainly detract from the value of the apartments; I'm
> sure other owner/occupiers would agree; it is part of the deal. It won't
> make any difference to you or Dave but I assure you it would to me (and
> others). I know it is enticing to see it as a way to raise revenue, but I
> think we'll have to stick with the storage spaces. I am dead against it. I
> would never have bought into a strata system that did not have visitors'
> parking. What does Maxine say?
>
> Visitors can't all come in cabs.. my daughter often comes from the Hunter
> Valley with 4 children arriving after dark with one asleep. It is more than
> one trip up in the lift (after a long drive) and inevitably something is
> forgotten and has to be fetched. It just wouldn't be possible if she were
> parked in some parking station a fair walk away. This is an essential
> amenity.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Di
>
>
> On 27 November 2013 15:08, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:
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>> What's the plan if some one legitimately wants to use a spot for a
>> visitor how would they get the key ?
>>
>> Matt
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>> On 27 Nov 2013, at 14:53, "Brook Beves" <brookbeves at bigpond.com> wrote:
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>> Sorry Matt but I agree with Rob on this one. The spaces are being used
>> illegally and locking them is the only solution. There is little
>> likelihood that an occupant acting illegally with the car spaces is going
>> to run to a lawyer, and in any event they wouldn’t have an action.
>>
>> I agree let’s stop pussyfooting around and take some positive action.
>> Rob, I am quite happy to admit the supplier of those locks into the
>> building for a quote, just let me know who and when.
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>> Brook
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>> *From:* ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com<ec-bounces at 200william.com>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Rob Willett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 November 2013 1:41 PM
>> *To:* ec at 200william.com ec at 200william.com
>> *Subject:* [200William-EC] Car Park
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>> We're are our rights? The car park is being used illegally. Let's stop it
>> and start charging for it.
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>> OK, how do we do a bloody bi-law without farting around for months on
>> bloody end. Maxine, please assist in this. If they want to sue, they have
>> no grounds as we simply give them a key for a fee. I call that access.
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>> By putting locks on the visitor spots does not restrict it. If a visitor
>> wants to park there, they simply have to ask for a key, for a fee. Simple.
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>> Let's just do it. Like I said, we can fart around forever or just do it.
>> It will happen so quickly, no one will know the difference.
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>> On 27/11/2013, at 9:05 AM, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:
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>> I wish it was all that easy Rob. You can not restrict access to visitor
>> parking without a bylaw. It requires and AGM/EGM. Locking people's car's is
>> not legal you will get arrested. You cant touch peoples car's (as much as
>> you want to ) The only remedy at our disposal is send a breach of bylaw
>> notice. That's it. I dont make the law. Maxine please confirm.
>>
>> I will do some research and see if there is some sort of access control
>> system we can use for visitor parking. That requires peoples pass keys etc
>> to be used. In my experience this is very hard without a concierge. I dont
>> think we can just close it off or we will have people threatening to sue us
>> as we did with the roof access. I am also lucky to have Phillippa Russell
>> one of Sydney's top strata lawyers in the office downstairs from me. I will
>> see if I can solicit some free advise next time i bump into her in the
>> lift. As to long term visitor parking there may be counsel implications
>> etc. Let's investigate
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>> Right now all that we can do within the law is act under the existing
>> bylaws.
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>> Perhaps we should have a meeting soon. When are you back next rob. (or
>> can you skype in perhaps )
>>
>> Matt.
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>> On 27/11/13 2:17 PM, Rob Willett wrote:
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>> Car park: OK, we're all in agreement, I think the first and easiest step
>> to stop illegal parking is to put those yellow bracket locks ( thats the
>> best description I could come up with ). We offer the spaces for lease.
>> They get a key to unlock their space. It's really simple although I am
>> guessing in Nanny State Australia there will be some rule or bi-law or
>> bloody regulation that says it's not easy.
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>> Let's stop buggarising around with the narcissicist in 502. Send them a
>> warning notice immediately to stop parking there. If they don't, stick a
>> wheel lock on her car. Can someone do this? Let me have her details ands I
>> will GLADLY do it. Here she is renting a spot, the revenue should be coming
>> to us, not her. We have evidence of her parking there, thanks Phil and Di,
>> lets send her an invoice. Let's immediately install the brackets. Lets
>> immediately notify the residents that spaces are available for a weekly
>> monthly rental of $300 + GST, minimum 3 months, key deposit $200 + GST (
>> fully refundable ). We are not obliged to provide visitors spots. So don't.
>> If we just get on with it, it can happen so quickly no one will no the
>> difference.
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>> I think I am saying let's actually do something. The time has come.
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>> I will start by contacting a supplier to give us a cost for the brackets.
>> As I am not in Sydney, would it be possible for someone to allow access to
>> the contractor so they can see the spaces in order to quote on the job? I
>> just need 1 person who lives in the building. We can arrange a mutually
>> agreeable time. It will take 5 minutes.
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>> Who issues invoices on behalf of the building? Is it Maxine, is it
>> George? I would be happy to do it. Just tell me what to do and I will issue
>> the invoice on behalf of the EC. I just need the woman's details and I will
>> do it right away. $75 per week ( cheap ) for 8 weeks + GST ( based on the
>> evidence we have )
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>> On 27/11/2013, at 7:30 AM, Brook Beves <brookbeves at bigpond.com> wrote:
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>> Visitor Parking Spaces:
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>> I am in total agreement to lease them out and derive income for the Body
>> corporate. Currently there is no way to police people using them as they
>> wish. As Matt says, there is already some selfish occupant within the
>> building who has rented out their car space and selfishly plonks their
>> vehicle in a visitors space without any regard for anyone else. Whilst
>> George goes to a lot of trouble taking photos and attaching notices to
>> every occupants door threatening action, the offenders just ignore/laugh at
>> the notice. This also goes for other selfish occupants who don’t give a
>> damn and just park in the visitors spots for indefinite times. I too have
>> had occasion when a guest to my apartment cannot park their vehicle because
>> of the selfish actions/disregard by others.
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>> Storage Cages:
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>> I am in total agreement to Lease them out. They legally belong to the
>> Owners Corporation. Whilst I have raised this issue previously this
>> problem will not go away and it may well be that another owner, in the
>> future or whenever, will ask the same question as I, as to who owns them
>> and how do you get hold of one.
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>> Rooftop Barbeque:
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>> I agree that this needs to be more attractive and on a user pay basis. I
>> don’t consider this a priority.
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>> Rooftop Gymnasium:
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>> Again I agree this needs to be made more attractive and on a user pay
>> basis, and perhaps placed on the EC agenda for follow up action.
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>> IN SUMMARY:
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>> I agree with Rob that the current levies for a building of this type is
>> totally over the top, and where there is areas to derive income for the
>> body corporate, then I am all in favour of pursuing those possibilities.
>> As we agreed at the last EC meeting the installation of the CCTV cameras to
>> the foyers on each floor is the only evidence the police can use to
>> prosecute criminal and malicious behaviour, as we have recently witnessed.
>> I am happy to support the best quote for this installation.
>>
>> Brook
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>> *om:* ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec <ec>-bounces at 200william.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Diana Dennison
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 November 2013 10:51 AM
>> *To:* Dave Petschack
>> *Cc:* ec at 200william.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [200William-EC] Recovery of costs 200 William Street
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>> I do feel that the 5 visitor parking places should remain just that (as
>> part of the appeal of the building, along with the roof access, etc) and we
>> should work out a way to ensure they remain for visitors' use with a 24hr
>> limit.
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>> We just want to make sure we don"t have a repetition of the woman who
>> bought a house lower down Dowling St, then bought the 2 commercial spots,
>> let the vendor remain in one, parked herself in the visitors' and brought
>> in tradies each morning who were working on her house down to park in other
>> visitors' spots !!
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>> Tradies working in the building are another matter, and I think they
>> should be tolerated.
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>> In the next email I'll attach some evidence of the same car parked in the
>> a visitor's spot since the 16th Nov.
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>> regards,
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>> Di
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>> On 27 November 2013 10:37, Dave Petschack <dave at robadda.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks to all for their thought and feedback - some great ideas.
>>
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>> I am particularly in favour of having a more managed approach to spare
>> parking spaces and I would be keen to let these out if possible. the income
>> would be very handy.
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>> I agree about a fee for renting out the cages - should have done it years
>> ago - good idea Matt!
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>> Re the gym - it has always been a white elephant, but perhaps we consider
>> a proper upgrade and a user pays. I think this would make people look after
>> the equipment and restrict access to those who appreciate a gym.
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>> BBQ - area - i think the upgrade needs to be taken into consideration
>> with some of the other renovations before making a decision. This woul be a
>> low priority for me after security and foyer works.
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>> Thanks again all, Maxine, would you please add these ideas to the agenda
>> for discussion as a group at next EC meeting.
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>> Regards Dave
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>> On 26/11/2013, at 4:46 PM, Matt Perkins wrote:
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>> Hi All,
>> This is a bit of a knock-on from Rob's last email where he questioned
>> costs of the upgrading of the building cameras. There seems a real
>> problem here as the owners want reduced strata costs however our
>> building is small and there is not that many lots to spread the cost
>> over. There is not a lot of breathing room in the budget and owners want
>> more facilities, Building upgrades and security features. We have
>> little way to recoup some of these cost's other then strata levies
>> however perhaps there are some options for us. It's of note that these
>> suggestions will almost certainly require a bylaw change in it self will
>> have an associated cost.
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>> User Pays.
>> Brook recently brought up the idea of Cages that are on common property.
>> lets lease these to people rather then giving them away. They have real
>> value. It's not unreasnoable to ask $20 ~ $50 Per month for these in our
>> Sydney location. This could add up to a few thousand per year. I note
>> also that there are a few store rooms and other spaces throughout the
>> building that are utilized. I for one would be happy to rent one of
>> these. Let's put some figures on them and get them rented. It's money
>> for jam.
>>
>> Gym - If we plan to fix/upgrade it. Perhaps we can charge people a
>> maintenance fee if they use it. If they dont want to pay for it lets
>> turn it into more storage space and save the P/L and Insurance. It's a
>> simple matter of putting a card reader on the Gym Door and activating it
>> on lots that pay only. It should at least cover the insurance and P/L
>>
>> Visitor parking - This is constantly used as parking for tenants. Evey
>> time I have tried to get a visitor in there it's full of the usual
>> suspects. Perhaps some sort of user pay's system would work here. I have
>> no idea how but throwing it out there. At the very least a nominal fee
>> may stop people using it as additional car spaces. I know for a fact
>> that one tenant in the building is renting their space to an outside
>> person and using visitor parking for there own car.
>>
>> The Roof - We have discussed user pays here before. My thoughts is it
>> would have little chance of making it through a AGM/EGM as it's to
>> attractive as a selling point for property in the building. But if
>> upgrades were to happen the BBQ should at least have a coin box.
>>
>> Other property have done some of these measure nearby to great effect.
>> (Particularly storage).
>>
>> Matt
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