[200William-EC] Lobby emergency bells in case of fire

Wed May 1 16:42:51 EST 2013

For the record,
George Ziri alerted all of us to the tile issue at the facade on 21 March (email attached).

At this stage I was being pressed to finalise details for lobby refurbishment, but I advised the EC on 03 April (email attached) that  Lobby Repair should be placed on hold until costs arrived for facade repair, as I knew costs for this would be large and funding would need consideration.

So; no one was concerned about the facade until GEORGE bought it up (not Shane)
In terms of Hazard Assessments, and liability, one must consider

PROBABILITY OF ACCIDENT: 
SEVERITY OF ACCIDENT: 
COULD RISK BE FORESEEN: 
WILL YOU BE PROTECTED BY CONSULTANT CERTIFICATION: 

I'd say facade repair is urgent. Heavy tiles are about to start dropping onto the (busy) footpath... 

Best Regards
Shane Ellis
0423 000 221

On 30/04/2013, at 10:35 PM, CSCL <cscl at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

We’ll agree to disagree on safety vs the façade. No one seemed concerned about the facade until Shane brought it up.

From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Matt Perkins
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013 8:15 PM
To: ec at 200william.com
Subject: Re: [200William-EC] FW: Lobby emergency bells in case of fire

I wouldn't be to worried Craig. If there is a real threat the fire department would go door to door.  I dont think we need to panic on this one. In any case this will be my last email on the subject so as not to fill up everyone's email boxes. The number 1 priority at the moment is the facade. 

Matt.

On 30/04/13 7:21 PM, CSCL wrote:
Hello Shane,

About a month ago we had a situation which was considered by the fire department to be an “emergency.”  I understand they broke down the door of the fire control room (on Dowling) because there was a chance that there was a fire in the building.  IF the fire department are notified, why not also raise the alarm inside our building.  It’s cheap to do so!

We apparently have 10,000 litres of live fuel in the car park (AVIS).  We may be in full compliance of the fire department, however why risk lives when the cost of installing a fire alarm on each level is so minimal??

When the ‘emergency’ occurred a month ago, I had NO warning on my level.  NO bells, NO whistles!!  Doesn’t it make sense to be pro-active, just in case there is a fire on the lower levels………a fire which ultimately rises??? EEK!!

Best,
Craig

From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ellis
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013 7:08 PM
To: George Ziri
Cc: ec at 200william.com
Subject: Re: [200William-EC] FW: Lobby emergency bells in case of fire

Hi Craig, 
we have been without the additional alarm system for 12 years...
The building is currently compliant... this proposal is in excess of legislation. 
I see the merit in it, but I don't see the rush.

Best Regards
Shane Ellis
0423 000 221

On 30/04/2013, at 6:25 PM, "George Ziri" <Georgeziri at bfms.com.au> wrote:

Hi All,

I’m waiting on one more quote for the facade repair but so far.

Unicorn Building - $93,500
Remedial Building Services - $95,500

Craig, i attached the quote for the upgrade of the fire system.

________________________________________________________ 
George Ziri | Operations

Building Facilities Management Solutions Pty Ltd

Direct: 0400 300 242 | Facsimile: 9547 3132 | PO BOX A2319 SYDNEY SOUTH NSW 1235

visit us www.bfms.com.au

From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of CSCL
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013 4:45 PM
To: ec at 200william.com
Subject: Re: [200William-EC] FW: Lobby emergency bells in case of fire

Hi everyone,

Thanks Shane for your response.

However, I believe we should keep the fire alarm and lobby items separate.  The fire alarm system is rather critical I believe and it’s not an extraordinary cost.  The other, however, is an option we can either agree to do in the future…….. or not…….ie the lobbies.

I’m not concerned about potential purchasers making a decision on whether or not they’re going to buy an apartment…………simply because the EC has decided to amortize $3,949 over all the 37 apartments……….for a fire alarm system!

Cheers,
Craig L

From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ellis
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013 3:56 PM
To: ec at 200william.com
Subject: Re: [200William-EC] FW: Lobby emergency bells in case of fire

Hi all, I am in agreement with Craig... however, I believe we should wait until George finalises quotes for repairing the tile facade at Williams Street side of the building, which is potentially a large cost.
Then we should review what we have in the sinking fund, and incorporate this and potentially a minor lobby refurbishment...

My logic is that; should the facade repair require a special levy (I think it will) - then we should include the above items with it.... A voluntary levy for refurbishment of lobbies, and upgrade of Fire services will not scare potential purchasers away... a levy for mandatorily repairs of the facade will scare purchasers... Let's package it up strategically for the benefit of all of us.

George, are you close to having tenders complete on facade repair?

Best Regards
Shane Ellis
0423 000 221

On 30/04/2013, at 3:46 PM, "CSCL" <cscl at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Good afternoon everyone,

I don’t believe there has been any correspondence regarding the attached quote from George for a fire alarm to be installed on each floor (as discussed at our last EC meeting).

With 10,000 litres of petrol sitting happily in the parking lot  below the apartments (for the AVIS cars), I believe this is something we should earnestly consider approving as soon as possible.  Can we get some votes on this please?  I am a definite ‘yes’ for installation.

Thank you and regards,
Craig Laforest

From: George Ziri [mailto:Georgeziri at bfms.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2013 10:38 AM
To: CSCL
Subject: RE: [200William-EC] Lobby emergency bells in case of fire

Good Morning Craig,

Please find attached the quote for the per level fire alarm sounder.

________________________________________________________ 
George Ziri | Operations

Building Facilities Management Solutions Pty Ltd

Direct: 0400 300 242 | Facsimile: 9547 3132 | PO BOX A2319 SYDNEY SOUTH NSW 1235

visit us www.bfms.com.au

From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of CSCL
Sent: Tuesday, 2 April 2013 5:31 PM
To: George Ziri
Cc: ec at 200william.com
Subject: [200William-EC] Lobby emergency bells in case of fire

Hi George,

1. Just following up on a couple of matters – were you able to lock in someone to give us a quote re the fire alarm bells for all floors (per EC meeting)?  Thank you for following up with Sharpes a/c re vent on several lobby floors.  Much better air coming out!

2. There is a white jag that has been sitting in the visitors spot for the past 2 weeks.  I’ll leave it to you.

3.Any news on warranty also for work carried out on the elevator that was jumping?  The lift company sent someone out a couple of weeks ago and there is no problem with it at the moment.  I just wanted to check if we should be looking a year warranty instead of individual payments for each service call?  Over to you.

Thank you George.
Craig Laforest

From: "George Ziri" <Georgeziri at bfms.com.au>
Subject: RE: [200William-EC] Lobby emergency bells in case of fire
Date: 9 April 2013 10:38:01 AM AEST
To: "CSCL" <cscl at optusnet.com.au>