[200William-EC] Motion regarding NYE 2013/14
Diana Dennison
didee.cd at gmail.com
Tue Jan 15 21:36:08 EST 2013
Hi All,
As there are approximately 350 days until next NYE what is the rush and urgency to vote on this matter??
Why can't we wait till we have a meeting and then with due process and if necessary at the AGM propose and pass any necessary by-laws we see fit?
Someone suggested a small window of opportunity to watch the fireworks but not to party up there. That seems reasonable if it could be managed - ie no access prior or after, just the half hour at 9 and again at 12, and no drinks carried up.
I could be selfish and say ban it altogether but I do feel sorry for those with no view when mine is splendid, but if what I have suggested can't reasonably be policed, there may be no alternative.
All the best,
Diana
Sent from my iPhone
On 14/01/2013, at 4:30 PM, Maxine Wickey <mwickey at stratatitle.com.au> wrote:
> Dear Committee,
>
> As a lot of this correspondence was happening over the weekend in relation to voting on the rooftop issue today was the first opportunity I had to respond.
>
> After looking into the by-laws further the following applies:
>
> 21. Rooftop Amenities
> In addition to the provisions of by-laws 6, 7 and 8, the owners corporation may, by ordinary resolution, impose conditions on the operation of the sauna, the room in which the sauna is located, and the roof terrace including, without limitation, conditions as to hours of access and operation, the attire and behaviour of persons using those amenities, and the articles that may be taken into or on those areas of common property where those amenities are located.
>
> However by passing a motion by an ordinary resolution is going to be hard to enforce as it is not a by-law. For this reason it needs to be done by a special resolution and you can create a "Special Events" by-law (which many buildings in that area do) or a By-Law restricting use on certain dates. The EC will need to decide which way you want to go and then decide if you wish to have a by-law drawn up and presented at the AGM or EGM.
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> Regards,
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> Maxine Wickey
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Matt Perkins
> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2013 3:15 PM
> To: ec at 200william.com
> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] Motion regarding NYE 2013/14
>
> Good to hear you are still keen to help get more owners at the AGM .
> More the better.
>
> Yes needles to say our vote here seems to be defunct as it needs to be a Special bylaw at a GM, Same as the discussion for that matter. In retrospect it would have been good to know that we could not make that sort of decision prior to the discussion. Maxine is going to site the existing bylaw that setup the current arrangement so then perhaps some one can move a motion or an amendment at the next GM. I could not find any reference in the bylaw's to the existing arrangement but I may not have all the documentation.
>
> Best to wait for Maxine to clarify.
>
> Matt.
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> On 14/01/13 3:02 PM, barnet at kitays.com wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just returned from holidays to find another 2000 emails on the EC
>> mailing list....
>>
>> I really think this is a sufficiently important issue for discussion
>> to not be effectively resolved by a simple email poll. I was going to
>> propose each of us taking 2 or 3 minute to put our points of view
>> forward at the next meeting and then taking a vote, however according
>> to Maxine a decision of this magnitude requires a vote at the AGM.
>>
>> I agree this is how we should proceed (and perhaps the motion for the
>> amendment to the by-laws can be accompanied by a short paragraph
>> explaining the history and issue to other owners who are unlikely to
>> be aware of the NYE/roof problem).
>>
>> A vote like this reinforces my desire for a drive to get more owners
>> to participate in the AGMs - i plan to get involved in this with
>> Maxine this year in time for the AGM.
>>
>> Barney
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>> Original Message:
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>> From: Tony Araujo TAraujo at cityviewrealestate.com.au
>> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:18:06 +1100
>> To: matt at spectrum.com.au, mwickey at stratatitle.com.au,
>> ec at 200william.com
>> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] Motion regarding NYE 2013/14
>>
>>
>> Thanks Maxine,
>>
>>
>>
>> It was about time for you to intervene and clarify this no sense issue.
>>
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>> From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Perkins
>> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2013 10:08 AM
>> To: Maxine Wickey; ec at 200william.com
>> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] Motion regarding NYE 2013/14
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry that last one was not 100% clear. To clarify can you please
>> provide the minutes for the GM that provides for the Special Event
>> by-law that we are operating under currently.
>>
>> Matt.
>>
>> On 14/01/13 9:57 AM, Matt Perkins wrote:
>>
>> Hi Maxine,
>> Thanks for the clarification. As the roof is normally not open at
>> midnight is there are bylaw in place that allows it to be opened on
>> NYE ?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> 9 On 14/01/13 9:54 AM, Maxine Wickey wrote:
>>
>> Dear Committee,
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding the roof this is not a decision the EC can make. The EC
>> cannot restrict any resident from using common property.
>> If you wish to restrict access you would need to create a by-law and
>> it would need to be passed by a Special Resolution at a General Meeting.
>> The other option is to create a Special Event by-law that stipulates
>> who (if anyone) has access to the rooftop and how that is to be
>> monitored ie tickets for entry. Also some buildings stipulate in the
>> by-law how many people are allowed entry to each unit according to size.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is obviously something that needs to be decided on as an EC if
>> you wish to have a proposed by-law put forward to all owners.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Maxine Wickey
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>> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2013 9:03 AM
>> To: Matt Perkins; ec at 200william.com
>> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] Motion regarding NYE
>> 2013/14
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>> Yes Rob in a democratic terms is should be the end.
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>> From: ec-bounces at 200william.com [
>> mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] On Behalf Of Matt Perkins
>> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2013 8:51 AM
>> To: ec at 200william.com
>> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] Motion regarding NYE
>> 2013/14
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>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>> I think on a such an important matter we should allow due process
>> and allow time for everyone to vote. Lets wait the allotted time to
>> see how the other EC members vote. I would like the final numbers on
>> the record.
>>
>> Matt.
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>>
>> On 14/01/13 4:03 AM, Rob Willett wrote:
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>> Looks like the not closing it off has the numbers.....
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>> Will that be the end of the matter?
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>> Happy New Year all
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>> From: "dave at oneforall.com.au"
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>> To: Rob Willett <rob_willett at yahoo.com>
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>> Cc: "ec at 200william.com"
>> <mailto:ec at 200william.com> <ec at 200william.com>
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>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [200William-EC] Motion regarding NYE 2013/14
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>> I vote against.
>>
>> I think we can wait until next committee meeting and discuss
>> further and then vote.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 13/01/2013, at 7:54 PM, Rob Willett < rob_willett at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
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>> When do we get to vote?
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>> From: CSCL <cscl at optusnet.com.au>
>> To: ec at 200william.com
>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:14 AM
>> Subject: [200William-EC] Motion
>> regarding NYE 2013/14
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>> I move that Level 7 be closed with no access on New Year's Eve,
>> December 31,
>> from 6pm through to 9am on New Years day, January 01.
>>
>> Perpetually or till amended.
>>
>> Can someone please second this and we can vote over the next 48
>> hours.
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