[200William-EC] Parking Problems - WAS Quotation: 200 William Street, Woolloomooloo - Parking Locks

Tue Dec 3 14:52:19 EST 2013

Hi All, 

a bit late to this piece, but i believe not locking the bays is the
right way forward. i know when offenders break the rules it becomes a
big thing, but we just need to manage it.... 

wrt to Rowan's suggestion - i support a hard and fast response to
offenders, but how do we deal with owners that offend - we can't evict
them - not sure in the past if any offenders are owners... 

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On 03-12-2013 11:07, Brook Beves wrote: 

> Good work Matt and thanks for your research into this issue with the solicitor. 
> 
> I am totally in agreement to look further into this method of parking control and costing. It would appear a reasonable method of controlling the parking spaces and I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation that the building occupant go down to the garage and release the cable so their visitor can park their car. The same would apply when the visitor leaves. The same would be a reasonable scenario if a trades person was visiting. If a trades person is called by an occupant I believe it is their responsibility to admit that person to their unit and ensure their departure. Should it be a trades person to attend to building issues (who no doubt would have been organised by George) then other arrangements could be made, eg: leaving a key with AVIS. 
> 
> These are some suggestions, but I believe Matt's proposal should be thoroughly looked into. Visitor parking has always been a contentious issue with Strata Schemes and there is no easy solution, particularly when the luxury of an on-site concierge is not an option. I do however believe that it is a method of controlling/monitoring the Visitor Parking spaces without denying people access. 
> 
> Brook 
> 
> FROM: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] ON BEHALF OF Matt Perkins
> SENT: Tuesday, 3 December 2013 9:04 AM
> TO: ec at 200william.com
> SUBJECT: Re: [200William-EC] Parking Problems - WAS Quotation: 200 William Street, Woolloomooloo - Parking Locks 
> 
> Hi All,
> I know this email is long but please If I can have your attention to the end we may be able to make some progress. Our EC roll is important and If you can not take the time to read and understand some of these email's I respectively suggest that the EC is not for you.
> 
> I have received advise from a solicitor very knowledgeable in strata area regarding this plan. I have also examined the original DA for 200 William and the proposed plan can not go ahead.
> 
> The DA states that there are 5 spots for visitors. This can not be changed without council approval. Unlikely to be granted. These spots must remain freeley available for visitors. The way I understand it paid parking is not really an option we could grant licensees but it would require a very complex change to bylaws and would likely fail an AGM/EGM/Council. It would only cost us money. 
> 
> We could secure the visitors spots providing we had someone available 24/7 to come and open them however this seems unrealistic. We can not ask some one to book them 24 hours in advance because this does not fit the description of freely available. We have no concierge we can not operate the building like we do. 
> 
> Given these restrictions I can not see how we can go ahead with any of these options lawfully. I have however come up with an alternate plan. It will not allow user pays, however I believe it will fix the parking problems or at least find it much easier to identify offenders and issue them with breaches. 
> 
> I do not have any costings and have no idea of the numbers. I did not want to waste time on it if the EC are not interested in it. 
> 
> There is a product called a Cable Gate. It's effectively a thick stainless steel cable securely locked between two steel posts position at either side of the parking bay which provide an effective physical barrier. A motor housed inside one of the posts drives down a latch releasing the cable to lay flat on the ground so a vehicle can pass over the top. Once the vehicle parks the cable is automaticly drawn back up and locked again inside the post re-securing the parking bays. 
> 
> The Cable gate would be operated by our normal card swipe which we use for access to the building. So It would require a resident to come down and allow a visitor into the spot. They would also be required to swipe again to release there car from the spot. Logs generated from the building access control system could then be used to enforce 24 hour restrictions with a clear indication of who let the visitor in and out of the spot and how long they stayed. This could be used as evidence in any bylaw breech. Appropriate sign's could be affixed to the swipe and gates that explained the restrictions and that they are electronically monitored. 
> 
> I know this has been a long and complex email and I hope your all still with me. This solution may not be within our budget but I do believe it to be our best chance to keep parking fair without a concierge. If the EC thinks this idea may be viable I will assist George in providing a specification to be quoted. 
> 
> Kind Regards.
> 
> Matt.
> 
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> On 3/12/13 12:08 AM, Rob Willett wrote: 
> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> Just reiterating, no one is closing off visitors spots, we are just securing them to make visitors, guests, tradespeople accountable following numerous complaints, especially from the EC, over the past months and indeed, years. As discussed. So it can either be done, or not. It's not personal. I don't really care. 
>> 
>> The other reason for wanting to secure them is to stop transients from entering the car park ( has been a major complaint over the past 3 years, especially from EC members ) ) and to stop tenants sub-letting their spots and using the visitors spots. 
>> 
>> But the major reason is to fund the cctv system. We don't have a budget for it and if we want to do it, we should raise the revenue from the buildings available resources. 
>> 
>> PLEASE FOLKS: FORGET ANY NASTY AND PERSONAL COMMENTS AGAINST ME PLEASE. I don't need it or want it. Simply give us a Yes or a No. If you vote yes, the preferred option. A B C. If you vote no, great. But don't take your misguided anger out on me. 
>> 
>> Majority will decide. Thanks for the feedback to date folks, but keep it positive. 
>> 
>> So far we Have: 
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>> Matt TBA 
>> 
>> Rowan TBA 
>> 
>> Rob 
>> 
>> Yes 
>> 
>> Di 
>> 
>> No 
>> 
>> Brook TBA 
>> 
>> Andrew TBA 
>> 
>> Craig No 
>> 
>> Dave 
>> 
>> TBA 
>> 
>> Barnay TBA 
>> 
>> IN SRI LANKA / CELL PHONE +94 766 88 92 98 
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>> On 02/12/2013, at 5:33 PM, CSCL <cscl at optusnet.com.au> wrote: 
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>> Ridiculous to close off the visitor spots. They are for visitors!! 
>> 
>> We don't have an onsite manager. Who would monitor the yellow triangles? Rob - are you available to pop down each time? 
>> 
>> My vote is a definite NO. 
>> 
>> Cages - a good idea for revenue. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Craig Laforest 
>> 
>> FROM: ec-bounces at 200william.com [mailto:ec-bounces at 200william.com] ON BEHALF OF Diana Dennison
>> SENT: Monday, 2 December 2013 9:22 PM
>> TO: Rob Willett; ec at 200william.com; Matt Perkins
>> SUBJECT: Re: [200William-EC] Quotation: 200 William Street, Woolloomooloo - Parking Locks 
>> 
>> Hi Rob, 
>> 
>> Before we think of installing these things, have we considered the cost of administering 'charged visitor's parking'? And who would do it? Is it remotely worth it? Some visitors come for an hour, some come for the night. What's the plan? 
>> 
>> I am sorry I can't keep it to a NO. 
>> 
>> Rob, I am a NO until the above issues have been resolved; you don't just bung in yellow triangles without a plan. We're surely not planning to rent a space on an overnight basis? We'll end up with locked empty spaces during the day waiting for the booked car to arrive and nowhere for the one-hour visitor to park. Madness. My last 2 visitors managed to park. 
>> 
>> Please outline a sensible plan of action before going further. The cages are another matter and good to go. 
>> 
>> Why has no one asked the owner of the Peugeot to move it? I've just gone downstairs and rung #502's bell but although someone answered, I couldn't hear them or they couldn't hear em, so I'll leave a note asking Junior to give me a ring and I'll ask him to get the car moved. 
>> 
>> best to all, 
>> 
>> Di 
>> 
>> On 2 December 2013 19:26, Rob Willett <rob at robadda.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> Hi there, 
>> 
>> Following Friday's discussion re the Visitor parking, I have obtained a quotation for 3 variations. Can you all please review and let me know 
>> 
>> 1) You confirm that we go ahead with the installation 
>> 
>> 2) If you approve of the cost for A) $1140 B) $ 1760 of C) $2420 
>> 
>> Can we please keep the responses short and sharp. 
>> 
>> FYI, I AM A YES AND B) $1760 
>> 
>> THANKS BROOK FOR BEING THERE TO ALLOW ACCESS FOR THE TRADESMEN ON FRIDAY, much appreciated. If we can get your responses quickly we can get this underway and start work almost immediately. 
>> 
>> We can then start deciding the spare cages and how to lease them and the amount we can charge. With the revenue streams for the cages and the Visitor car spots will fund the security system and have no need to increase levies. 
>> 
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